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AMERICA? MORE LIKE DOGS IN PEOPLE CLOTHES AMIRIGHT?

 

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Uhh you're wrong

Eyyy

-closed i guess

CLs can do their own thing here but it doesn't need to be open anymore

no

my feels after this post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBgn3pStmw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1QTz_Bsi84

we had this mod on our Gaming History server a while back. everyone loved it and absolutely nobody complained. we should bring this back because ponies are dank. and the happiness will spread over the server so nobody is BM. it's definitely 100% the best course of action for everyone that nobody could possibly disagree with. so why isn't it back on yet?

@kbraszzz @Ohstopyou @metalslug53 @Rejects @Kypari @Tekage @Vaporeon @ChickenPanda @Hachi

I don't know, I feel like we should grant amnesty on this case. The previous DMs had left his thread open for way too long. When I closed it I gave him a month to wait to reapply. Today was the first day he could. If we had done our jobs before he would have had the opportunity to apply before the age change. I feel we should let this application stand.

+1 known him forever, active and stuff

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Eyy bby gurl you gave me a game. Eternal cool guy in my book.

Posted this in the convo but wanted it to be made clear.

The reason we have no evidence is because we've all been ignoring him for so long. Playing on the server with him is so tiresome that we just don't do it anymore, even to get evidence for his removal.

If and when he gets unbanned though, all of that changes.

We've tried warning him inside of the division multiple times (one on one teamspeak chat in a locked channel with higher ups of the div). He was demoted for this type of behavior. I don't know what the CLs count as a warning, but he has way more than one.

He's had enough warnings, and if this goes through we're really only left with one course of action.

His every word on the servers will be recorded, every conversation screenshotted. We don't have evidence, so we're going to get some. If he changed then good, nothing to worry about. But does anyone that knows vector, either from CSS or TF2, honestly think he's going to change?

I'm guessing probably not. And with every action and word documented, he's going to have two choices: change or actually be permed. I wonder which he'll choose.

While I do understand why he was banned, I don't find that a [permanent] ban on the spot was necessarily justified without prior notice. Vector's behaviour and attitude is certainly volatile and unacceptable, and I can see why so many are against his unban, but to jump the gun to a permanent ban seems excessive.

 

With that said, I propose a compromise that I feel is fair to both parties; those for the unban and those against. I suggest that Vector be unbanned only from Forums for the time being while remaining permanently banned from Servers.

 

During this period, Vector will have the opportunity to show the community that he can produce a community-friendly attitude that doesn't involve overly-hostile or discriminating remarks. With that said, Higher-Ups will need to monitor his behaviour and attitude. This is a crucial step. This will ensure that if he is not able to keep a calm air around him on Forums after being given a chance, then the only choice will be to permanently ban him. After a noticeable improvement in behaviour, an appeal for an unban from Servers can be made where the community will determine whether he is ready to represent XenoGamers on it's Servers.

 

This will obviously require the co-operation of the community as well, including those who have had.. Turbulent times with Vector. Simply put, do not [intentionally] harass, instigate, or provoke him into slipping up. It isn't easy to make a change in attitude, so don't [try to] give the guy a hard time. At the very least, try to put aside your differences and give the guy a chance.

 

To clarify, this is all just an opinion. Take it with a grain of salt :coffee:

I'm 100% in agreement with this. Justified or not, the bans were an attempt to solve a long standing problem. And honestly, since the ban, short time it may be, things have improved, players vector ran off are coming back. Things have been genuinely better.

Let's be perfectly clear here though. Vector got screwed on this one. The ban ended up being a positive thing for the servers, but that doesn't mean vector shouldn't get another shot. I am entirely in favor of forest's idea. He should be unbanned on forums, but the servers are another story. I honestly think him having time away is better for everyone involved. Even him. The toxicity reforms were made for a reason. They were poorly executed, but somehow they worked. That's why everyone in tf2 is up in arms. Because things have been better, and we don't want that positive change to stop. Vector coming back now ruins it. But Vector coming back after he's had time to improve strengthens it.

he should stay permed. he isn't going to change, he's said as much. the tf2 division will be hurt by his unbanning. PEOPLE. WILL. LEAVE. OVER. THIS. vector isn't worth this, nor is any individual player. the greater good of the clan is more important than any individual in it.

Disregard forums derped.

-closed

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I don't think this warrants a removal of powers, or should even apply to his server powers, so -1 on removal of powers.

I will also say that a forum warning or short ban is founded in this case.

Since we're all being open and honest now though, I will say the concerns in this thread are valid. @Kypari , some of these issues do affect you and how you do your job on the servers. You have always done a good job as a moderator, and have never given me, or the previous tf2 higher ups, any reason to remove your powers. Still though, you've been mod for probably longer than any of our other mods, and still haven't been promoted. You do your job as mod well, but these attitude issues, most minor, some major, are the reason you've stayed just mod. You have a chance for improvement here, it doesn't help you, the division, or the clan if you disregard the valid criticisms in this thread.

Sign ups for next season are live. Team is currently Steel. Season starts early June. We have plenty of time to get a roster set up, or change Divisions if need be. I still want to lead and play heavy. Last years team has first dibs on roster spots. Season 16 get hype. If you want to play, have an opinion on division changes, or want to tell us how bad we are post here! let's do this shizz.

Unfortunately, North American players only. if we have enough euro players to set up a team, whether it be 6v6, 4v4, or highlander. I will gladly help you guys set it up

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Thanks, I'll use this to better myself. After all, that's how I see this thread. But for the record, I don't even have a dog and I make my own decisions.

But I don't appreciate you telling me to kill myself (But replaced "Suicide" with "Sudoku", I don't know if that's the stupid cussing-blocker or whatever, but still). I'm actually hurt. Oh well, I guess I'll see you in hell. (It's colored in white)

I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with dirt like you, so there ain't nothing else.[/user]

@Rhododendron if it actually autocorrects suicide to sodoku I'm confirmed starting a mutiny.

+1 really active and really mature

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+1 i missed you so much, xG without thunder is a sad place

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+1 actually mature

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I missed you bby

there's a difference between reform, and taking things too far. while the choice behind the recent "toxicity reforms" is still being openly talked about, there are some other things that I want to point out.

 

There is reform, there is forced reform, and then there are dictators that try to make things what they want because they're tired of the right way of doing it, and instead opt for the quick way (banning numerous people for differing opinions.)

 

now, while i'm all for banning people, everyone in upper staff should know this, i'm not for being a fudgety dictatorship, if anything the way you idiots (broad term for people not looking at the publicly expressed on the forums members which are who we cater to mainly instead of randoms and regulars who never had intentions to join anyway) are going about this fudge will turn more people away and none will come back/nobody new will join.

 

My thoughts on the ban are aside in here, this is an admin discussion, not a ban discussion. i'm talking about this quote.

 

 

you want to reform? go for it. you want to ban people? go for it, but listen to the real community, not this private messages bullshit. if you want to discuss with higher ups, discuss with all of them instead of only people you deem relevant. not message the people on your friendslist that play the same fudgety fricking game at the same time as you and will suck your god damn snake for admin because they think being a fudgety admin will make them cool.

 

@everyone that can see this fudge.

I know I have no problem with anything I said in the reform convo being public, not sure if others feel the same way. I think a decent option that would make everyone happy is to post the entire conversation in a closed thread in public view, that way people can believe us when we say there was no favoritism, because there wasn't.

If this is a safe place to respectfully air out xG related personal grievances against other players, then I will do that now.

@Kypari first off I don't think you're a bad mod, and that you follow the rules to a T. But, for the purpose of being open and honest, you should know I wanted you on tier 3 and warned. This had nothing to do with anything wrong you had done, but everything to do with how you present yourself on the forums, and how you're hyper strict interpretation of the rules can negatively impact the general mood of a server. We had that problem a couple of days ago for example, when I rounded up some server regulars who hadn't been back since late 2013 for the most part. They asked me if they could try do an immature thing we all used to do on mic (change your name to some generic teenager name, then whine about how bad the life of your character is. It sounds really stupid, but it's beautiful with 32 people doimg at once) I allowed them to try it, watched chat closely to make sure the server was ok with it, and once I saw that they were, and that randoms were joining in, I changed my name to christie, and started whining about how brad dumped me because I'm too fat. (@Bach was in on some of these back in the day, he'll prove it's not as stupid as it sounds, or atleast that it was fun)

Then Kypari comes in, and is unsurprisingly shocked and confused that a dm is letting all of this micspam happen, and derides me to put my tags on, I believe an "or I'll tell kbraszz" was uttered(thats another personal issue I have with kypari, taking your personal battles to the higher ups rather than fighting them yourself). Then I put edgy pseudo tags on [xGizzle:DMizzle] which honestly was pretty rude, I was obviously doing it to irritate him, it worked, situations didn't improve, I should have put on valid tags and been done with it. I then explained the situation, he didn't get it because rules were being knowingly broken with no punishment from the moderating staff. and when his attitude in the server killed the mood and people stopped playing along I tell my friends the old regulars (we were in a skype call) to stop doing it, they do,first ask, problem solved. Except kypari isn't happy because people haven't been formally punished. So he mutes two of the guys for using the fake voice to say like a syllable over the mic. And tries to undermine my authority on the server by making an ultimatum against talking in csay, even though I, as a DM, had allowed the behavior to continue, and had put a stop to it with nothing more than a verbal warning.

My main problem with you kypari is that you interpret the rules as absolute fact, you leave no wiggle room for harmless fun, you think enforcing rules means only your powers as a mod count as enforcement. But warning and having a #realtalk with a rule breaker is so much more effective than going straight to slay or mute once you've given your generic indifferent warning. As for your actions on the forums, you obviously hold strong personal beliefs, it's made painfully obvious by how you treat those who disagree with you, constant bad ratings, being rude sometimes, laughing them off as stupid the other times. You act like only the people you want to be banned should be banned. You act like only the maps you want should be added. This is getting long so I'm gonna finish it off with this, you would be so much more valuable to the community if you learned how to compromise, and lighten up a bit. I've seen a lot of staff that don't take their jobs seriously, they were bad staff and got demoted. You have the opposite issue, you take the job WAY too seriously. Lighten up a bit, moderating shouldn't keep you from having fun, and it really doesn't seem like you're having fun whenever you're on a server moderating.

Sorry this was so long. I hadn't written after taking an ambien before. The ideas flow real quick it turns out. Hopefully this was somewhat coherent.

i've been a techno nerd for most of my life, electro, fidget, disco, electro swing, deep house recently, basically anything but dubstep, I was bored and thought i'd post a list of my top eleven, the only songs I consider perfectly executed. one song per artist.

11. Breakbot- Baby i'm yours

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdH8eTydWY

10. Marvin Gaye- Sexual Healing (Kygo Remix)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEPgqvjwgtE

9. Don Rimini- Let me back up (Crookers Remix)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4TtigBbOQ

8. Gramatik- Hit that Jive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2zGncgLjw

7. Bart&Baker- Troublesome Trumpet (Murder on the Blue note)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YezxJvIK9hU

6. Justice- DVNO (this song is the only good thing about cyberpunk)

5. Simian Mobile Disco- I Believe

4. Miike Snow- Animal

3. Daft Punk- Voyager

2. The Bloody Beetroots & Congorock- Rombo

1. Mr. Oizo- Flat Beat (analog seriously needs to make a comeback though)

-1 for removal of sand I'll actually fight over it lets throw hands m8

Other than that those maps are bad please remove

Toma you know better. Day ban for bad gravedig

-closed

So. I want to make my opinion clear. We should only have ecruteak and goldenrod on the server. Definitely no celadon(we shouldn't have unfinished maps on the server, no exceptions also the creator of the map said it wasn't ready, he knows better than we do), DEFINITELY no saffron (the size of the character compared to the size of the map is disgusting), and no victory road (well made, complete, and looks good, but painfully unbalanced in favor of the defense on the last cap, it was on gaming history rotation, the best team couldn't get the last cap on the worst team, terribly unbalanced)

The reason pokemon has stayed populated so consistently for so long with only one map, is because Goldenrod is a 100% complete and polished, and altogether well made map. Adding ecruteak works well, as it is the next town you come across in the game, and the map is complete, finished, and reasonably polished. Adding maps just because they're about pokemon is going to lead us down a path of the server depopulating because people don't like shitty maps. This server is successful because of how good of a map Goldenrod is, and Ecruteak is the only pokemon I've ever seen that came close to being the same quality.

Tl;dr: adding anything besides ecruteak is a bad idea because the population was built on a great map, adding maps that aren't as good could only have one result, a population that isn't as good.