Jacklyn

+1 based

just leave maps

• Division
  Team Fortress 2
• In-Game Name
  Jackie Pizzapasta
• Identity
  STEAM_0:1:70818115
• Ban Type
  Server Ban
• Information
  

  pls unban me thx 

  

Based on a true story

+1 You guys are too sensitive.

it's also pretty fucking op at times, like team crits is actually fucking stupid. the new rtd kind of makes things less competitive too.

+1 get rid of this ABSOLUTE GARBAGE

2 minutes ago, Kypari said:

TIL You can't punish people on the servers for breaking rules if you don't like them because you get called biased. Secondly you can't prove that those screenshots were before or after those bans, and even if you could that wouldn't change much other than just demonstrate how you're trying to turn this on me because you don't like me yourself.

Nah I like you, Kypari. You're a cutie.

That was just to prove the point that kypari's past bans were kinda bull. @Tatost

• Division
  Team Fortress 2
• In-Game Name
  Jackie
• Identity
  STEAM_0:1:70818115
• Ban Type
  Server Ban
• Information

  Got banned FOR A MONTH because Moo -Moo reported me for being toxic. I think my ban is pretty unfair because I only said a few things and I thought we were all just having some fun bantering with eachother. Really it seemed to me like Moo -Moo was unphased by what I had said judging by his responses. 

  Moo -Moo and Mau -Mau really hate my friend kamaal and try to start poop with him constantly, I don't really hate them all that much personally. (Maybe I now I do)

  I know that it's a month because of my previous bans from Kypari, but I think even those bans are debatable. Everyone knows he hates my guts and just jumps at the chance to punish me for any minute reason he can find at the time. (He's even wrongly banned me for a month in the past and it got instantly repealed because it was unfair)

  I don't think I deserve this long of a punishment for just chiming in at the start and poking some harmless fun at Moo. 

  And also the admins decided that my ban didn't even need a formal request on the forums, Moo moo just brought it straight to them and they decided to ban me without considering the thoughts of the players??? what the fudge is up with that???

  At the very least I think my ban should be rolled down to a week.

edit: here's chatlogs https://imgur.com/a/92rBBVN

• Division
  Team Fortress 2
• In-Game Name
  Jackie
• Identity
  STEAM_0:1:70818115
• Position
  Administrator
• Time Active on Servers
  4 years
• Information
  

  I am obviously the best candidate on xG to be in a position of power. I have shown in multiple cases in the past how responsible I am with power. I'm the most respectful person on xG and I always follow the rules because I'm a good girl.

  In my new position as administrator I will be sure to punish anybody who decides to say any harmful words to any minority and give them a good moral scolding. I will threaten to mute anybody at the slightest sound of a musical tone in their voice. I will EVISCERATE anybody who even thinks of saying anything in a silly or immature voice, AND I WILL BAN ANYBODY WHO EVEN DARES TO QUESTION MY REASONS FOR PUNISHING THEM, FOR THEY ARE DIVINE. (take it to the forums, nerd xddd)

  Now you may ask, "Jackie, why are you applying for Administrator and skipping moderator?" Good question, it's because MY IQ IS OVER 150 WHICH MEANS I AM A CERTIFIED GENIUS AND AM AUTOMATICALLY BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU. 

  Now you may also ask "Well Jackie, why would you want to apply for staff if you hate the staff?" Another good question, obviously the answer is that I have learned from my evil and petty ways and have taken by example by the new staff members in the TF2 Division. I have embraced the way of xG, and I wish to feel the same rush of adrenaline staff get in their peepees when they enforce rules biasedly and regardless of context. It is the ultimate pleasure.

  For my hours, I will only come on for 5 minutes everyday just so I can hold my position as a washed up staff member and leave immediately when another staff member comes to take my place.

  I am the ideal xG staff member. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like. 

@Jacklyn Just wanted to touch up on the inconsistency matter from my point of view and why there isn't a simple "how-to" instruction for staff. Aside from me and other staff finding different things insulting to us or having different levels of leniency based on our own experiences, the other issue is that not everything is black and white when you're administrating servers. If someone says fuck you to an admin, and says fuck you to his friend, those are different issues that we can't just pin as "oh he said fuck you, that's an instant mute".

 

Staff should be taking context when handling punishments, and if our rules tells you not to use racial slurs in our servers, and you choose to do so, there is no inconsistency if they choose to punish you for it, especially after you've been warned. There would be inconsistency if they didn't punish you, and then that means the staff who didn't punish you was more lenient, not that you weren't breaking rules in the first place.

 

Police in real life are the exact same way, going 10 miles too fast by some cops might be an instant warning, whereas other cops might give you a warning. It also depends on your attitude of course, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

 

At the end of the day, we want everyone to have an enjoyable experience, and if your enjoyment only comes from being able to use racial slurs on our servers or hearing it, this community is not that type of place.

My enjoyment doesn't really hinge on this that much, I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.

We care because xG is a community in which we respect one another! Just because you're apparently immune to being hurt on a personal level doesn't mean others are! Until you understand the background and stories of each and every individual, you have no right to make that statement. Just because you don't care if people hurt each other on xG, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't.

 

 

 

No, it's not! If someone's going out of their way to verbally attack someone for no reason, THEY are the ones causing the problem!

 

I can sympathize with SOME of what you say, but please be careful in the future about making extremely generalized statements on how you think things should be on xG, without even justifying yourself.

I feel as though its different if someone is trying to directly attack a player using slurs or what not, and the rule works in that situation. But it seems unnecessary to me if it's indirect or general.

It doesn't matter what background you come from I still think it's bad to be too sensitive with words. sticks and stones my dude, I've had slurs thrown at me a lot and I've learned to shake it off overtime, which I feel everyone else should learn to do too because it's beneficial to have thick skin in this world.

Don't take this the wrong way, but the same could be said regarding those who don't agree with the rules and regulations that we have set in place. I understand that this whole thing can (and most likely is) be frustrating, but to engage in a discussion as monumental as this while retaining a closed-minded perspective is only going to exacerbate your own attitude or behaviour on the topic at hand. In other words, if you want to have a civil discussion, then I would not recommend going down the "but it's a stupid rule anyways" route or to start letting it affect you on a personal level, which seems to be happening based on your responses. Mind you, I'm not saying that you aren't capable of having this sort of discussion so much as I am saying that in order for your own opinion to have any sort of credibility or sway, you need to be able to receive feedback/criticism in a constructive way.

 

With that said, you need to realize that the enforcement of rules and regulations based on a Staff Member's preference is something that is incredibly difficult to manage. On paper, it is a completely viable way of cutting down on bias; but in practice it is an incredibly difficult thing to do. In all fairness, we only have one or two Division Managers who manage the Staff of their respective Division. There is absolutely no way they can monitor every single Staff Member during every hour of the day.

 

This is why we rely so heavily on our Players for feedback. If you can provide names and ample evidence to support claims that the Staff in question is/are working outside of our own rules, then our Higher-Ups can address the problem areas directly. Our Players are our eyes and ears on the Servers when our Higher-Ups cannot be. As previously mentioned in your other thread, this is why we have 'Member Protest' and 'Report Abuse' sections of our forums: to address problem areas with Members or Staff.

 

For the record, I agree 100% that there is definitely a large amount of bias in terms of what Staff say, do, or even enforce in terms of rules. I've seen my fair share of contradictory actions, but it is what it is and there is only so much our Higher-Ups can do.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I dont listen to what you have to say. I do keep a fairly open mind and I did in the last thread too, I agreed with some of the counter points people made to the thread and that's why I made a revised one after taking in what people said.

As staff members, it's our duty to stop people from disrespecting other people and make sure everyone has a good time to as far as a degree as possible. People getting offended would make them want to leave the servers.

 

If you don't agree with it that's fine. I disagree with some rules myself, such as the old teleport-spawncamping rule. You just have to work with it though sadly.

I'll work with it but I just wanted to express my personal opinion on it

If you don't agree with it on a personal level and notice other people saying no, what makes you think that those people don't get offended by slurs? The rule isn't in place to annoy Jackie, its there for the greater good of other people who do get offended.

If People want to be offended then thats their problem

If you don't agree with it on a personal level and notice other people saying no, what makes you think that those people don't get offended by slurs? The rule isn't in place to annoy Jackie, its there for the greater good of other people who do get offended.

who the fuck cares if people get offended. Boo hoo

I agree inconsistencies happen between staff members and how they enforce the rules, however, what I don't understand is how allowing people to disrespect and insult each other based on skin color, sex, sexual orientation, or disability will somehow open us to a wider audience. These are insults, meant to literally get people to fuck off, rather than stick around.

 

Now, you have a point that everyone has their own thing which can be made fun of, and you can't watch everyone, even when they're attacking you personally. But we can still do our best to promote respect based around traits we all have in common, such as the one's I mentioned earlier.

I never said allowing slurs would help make the server reach a bigger audience, I just dont agree with it on a personal level

I honestly cannot see the angle you're aiming for here, are we talking about slurs or are we talking about staff incompetency? Slurs are never going to be allowed so I would never count on that. As for inconsistency with how staff handle situations, that is something that can't really be fixed either. As humans we are all different, no two people are going to handle their position the same way. While one staff member may be a total "Hitler" admin, the other might be incredibly laid back and not really do much of anything. We cannot change how people think, and us having the rules the way they currently are helps us keep a non-toxic environment.

 

Also,

 

Stop quoting this. This was something said by a comedy based YouTuber, and has no real substance in an actual argument against not allowing slurs. What you are pushing for here does not really seem feasible, nor does it seem like a very right thing to do. I've played on servers where there is basically "no rules, say what you want" and honestly those were some of the worst I've visited. The last thing I want xG filled with is 15 year old's thinking that 9/11 jokes are funny and spouting racism at every user that decides to even turn the camera in their direction. There's a reason why things are the way they are, there's really no point in changing what has already worked for so long.

How hard is it to give staff a set of rules to enforce. If they don't enforce the rules properly then they shouldn't be staff.

Inconsistencies are a given since we're not a hive mind, best we can do is shoot for things to be as consistent as possible among the staff body.

 

If we started allowing people to use slurs in a non-malicious way, that'd just pave the way for further problems when people using them in 'wrong' ways start bashing us for punishing them but not others just casually tossing them around. It'd probably just also lead to people abusing this in other ways as well.

 

Things work as they are, and I'd much rather be in a policed server than one that's just left to fend for itself or is very lax after being on a few others.

Inconsistencies are a given since we're not a hive mind, best we can do is shoot for things to be as consistent as possible among the staff body.

 

If we started allowing people to use slurs in a non-malicious way, that'd just pave the way for further problems when people using them in 'wrong' ways start bashing us for punishing them but not others just casually tossing them around. It'd probably just also lead to people abusing this in other ways as well.

 

Things work as they are, and I'd much rather be in a policed server than one that's just left to fend for itself or is very lax after being on a few others.

That's a fair opinion but I disagree.

/scareme -1 used to be useable by everyone but they changed it at some point

Alright so I feel as though I should re-instate my opinions from my last thread in a more intelligible

way. My thread was kind of a stinkpiece I admit, I was a bit pissed off at the time. I didn't really expect

to influence any sort of big changes but I was aiming to at least get some people to see it from my

perspective. I wanted to voice my opinion on it even though I knew that I would get a lot of hate, and I

did get a lot of hate, which is fair but I thought I would explain myself since a lot of people think I'm for

what I said.

This time I'm going to move away from if Nigga really is a slur or not because really, it's besides the point.

My big problem is with Xenogamers outlawing slurs in general. The fact that people sometimes

use slurs in general or good terms and not in a malicious way is completely ignored and it just seems

unreasonable to me. People usually don't get offended at slurs if they're used in a general sense.

Another thing is that it's really your choice at the end of the day to be offended by slurs or not. I don't think

it's a very good idea to support people having thin skin because they can't handle hearing these words,

you're just supporting weakness by doing this. People have said to me that it's because xG wants to reach

out to a broader, wider audience but xG does not appeal to a wide audience at all in my opinion. xG is full of Pokefurs,

Furries and every kind of weirdo in between and that scares away people on the get go by itself. And as I

stated in my thread before, when you start banning words you just give them more power. It's feeding into people's

sensitivities in an attempt to seem politically correct, which I don't understand because xG is just full to the brim with

degenerates of all shapes and sizes who probably wouldn't give a damn about anybody saying any type

of slurs. It's the admins who are making it a big deal and I don't even think most of them care much about

it personally. Why would you even want to harbor anyone who gets offended by words like Nigga?

My other point I was trying to make in my last thread was that the staff in xG is just downright inconsistent,

and that was probably the most agreed on point so I'm just going to talk about it a little more.

Here's a recent example of some very inconsistent moderating on xG: Awhile ago there was this guy on one of

the TF2 servers who was trying to make trouble by loop-holing the rules on Slurs by making their name things like

"Fellow African American" and etc and maybe I could have tolerated the Admin who was on ignoring it, but he was

also spouting anti-semitic things like "The holocaust never happened" and "Hitler did nothing wrong" and he was

going at it for a good ten to twenty minutes and the admin didn't even do anything about it. Even when I tried pointing them

to the admin they just ignored it and didn't even issue any warnings to the specific person. It's not that I was offended by what they

were saying but I felt like I was being cheated by the staff because this guy could get away with this scot-free but I got

muted for 30 minutes for saying "I can't believe Nigga is still considered a slur here"? It seemed very unfair to me.

There's inconsistencies in other rules too, it really just depends on what admin is on and what they think is bad to them.

Like for instance, I used to use /bonkme -1 to do things like get out of taunts and I got away with it for a veeeeeery loooooong

time without any admins saying anything about it until all of a sudden I was getting threatened to be banned for it by someone,

Which just confused the fuck out of me because it was so normal to me that it had become habit. Another one is using putting

teleporters in the skybox, it just depends what admin is on, some will tell you not to do it and some wont. I could probably go into

more inconsistent rules but you get the point.

Like I said, I don't expect this to change anything really because I already know most of you disagree with me on principle already

and/or hate me for what I've said or done in the past but I really do evaluate what you guys say to me and I'm not planning on

breaking the rules. Thanks.

oops double reply

@james8470 Thanks for the informed reply, you bring up some good points as well.