Jadow

Hi im jadow i have close to 50+ day on a csgo server im better than all of you

Just to get the bias out of the way, i have never made a staff app before and all my promotions have been due to being good friends with higher ups and (hopefully) for being a good staff member.
To add onto what @LeToucan said, there is almost no way we'll be getting rid of silent promotions entirely as it easily helps us regulate the amount of staff we feel like we need at the moment (high pop times during summers usually see a bunch of promotions, even if we usually never have the expectation of them sticking around for a longer period of time).
If people believe there is some sort of conspiracy around us higher ups to only promote our friends and thats the reason we need to disallow silent promotions, we really need to take a look at what we can do to regain that trust.
 
Abuse reports is actually something i was talking to @Tatost about yesterday on discord, and id just like to drop some pointers regarding those real quick.
An abuse report can be made at any time for any reason, as long as you believe you have been unfairly treated. HOWEVER, just because you make an abuse report does not mean that the staff member in question will be demoted. For example, the situation yesterday was pretty minor in the grand scheme of things and it would very likely not have ended up in any punishment past a warning (if tatost was in the right) but i still encouraged him to make an abuse report because it sets an example and gives us as higher ups the heads up that "hey, someone is unhappy with this person, we should keep an eye on them".
 
You guys have the potential to do a lot of things and its up to you guys to hold the higher-ups accountable for their decisions but that requires you guys to actively raise your voice when we do something bad. That said, i also believe that you should place some trust in the higher ups, we all want the community to be the very very best but we cant please everyone and sometimes we do get things wrong. If there are any doubts around that its something we need to work on and adress as soon as we can.
 
Great thread @Precious

I'll give you guys my reasoning for "invisible promotions".
People don't need to apply to be a good candidate for being a staff member. You guys have to remember that higher-ups are the position that they are because we have a lot of trust in them. We believe in their judgement, and they have experienced through a ton of good and bad staff throughout their time in xG. They take time to discuss if a member who hasn't applied deserves to be staff, and they always reach a consensus before doing so. Of course, we have changed it so we ask the individual if they want staff or not before the promotion takes place. The higher-ups also talk to their fellow staff / friends to get more input, so it's not 1 person who single handedly promotes a member to staff.
People can easily get demoted if they don't deserve staff. Please do not confuse member protests with admin abuse threads. Staff do get a few chances as human error is bound to happen, but people can make mistakes even if they had everyone +1 them. There are also multiple instances where admin abuse threads popped up on people that only had one side of the story, where the accusers were hiding the information to make the staff look bad. If someone is caught Slay All or other abusing instances, they can get demoted if it's a problem. 
People under 14 can still get staff. This is rare, but is always on a case-by-case basis. You can think of it in the real world as someone who gets a job offer without filling the requirements. That is also why (at least in CS:GO) we sometimes allow people to post a mod app without getting 50 posts on the forums. If we feel like we need more input on if someone should get staff, letting them apply doesn't hurt. 
These discussions never hurt, and I'm happy to improve a system if you guys feel it is broken. From the staff we have promoted that haven't applied themselves so far in recent memory, at least to the best of my knowledge, none of them have had a negative impact on our community. After a while, you  get a good idea if someone would be a good staff member or not just from interacting with them.
If anyone has anything that they feel contradicts any of my statements, I'm happy to read it so I'll keep this thread open.

To put a little perspective on how these "silent promotions" work, here's how the promotion / demotion process works for higher ups. It varies a bit from division to division, but it's in general the same.
A thread/discussion is created for promotions and demotions All prospective (Both members that have applied and not applied) staff are discussed thoroughly All higher ups of the division get input All community managers/Aegean can see all discussion Feedback must be valid, and is under scrutiny of all higher ups, including CMs/CLs (CSGO exclusive?) Goes through chat logs to see how they interact when staff is not available Use GameME to see activity on servers Higher ups come to a unanimous decision After discussion, approval goes to CMs We almost never disagree upon decisions, I honestly cant remember the last time we rejected someone If the prospective staff hasn't applied, they should be contacted to see if they would accept the position To my knowledge, this hasn't always been followed, but we will certainly follow up with higher ups to ensure that this happens In addition, +1/-1 on a staff application is not entirely representative of if someone will be promoted. We appreciate your feedback, but someone who receives all +1s is not guaranteed to get staff, just as someone who receives majority -1s is not guaranteed to not get staff. Everything is always taken on a case by case basis. Getting "Chummy" with higher ups is not necessarily a way to get staff (see @Jaydow CSGO Division Manager position). I can safely say that there's nothing more annoying than someone asking for staff, and they almost never get promoted any time soon. Obviously, getting to know higher ups is going to get you promoted quicker, as they'll know you better. Honestly, that's life, anyone who's been working before knows that the better relationship you have with your boss, you're probably going to get promoted quicker. This also assumes that you deserve to be promoted, as I've gotten to know people better and realized "Wow, I'll never promote that guy" before, even when I like them as a person.
As for bad staff, staff are held to a high standard. Of course, you learn through mistakes, and our staff are people too. But for example, toxicity and abuse will never be tolerated, and its quiet easy to remove staff that don't deserve powers. Anyone can post a staff abuse thread, and demotions can occur without a staff abuse thread. I've found that many times that people don't want another person to be staff hasn't actually been due to if the person does or doesn't deserve staff, but more personal vendettas against one another.
Edit: I'll also be moving this to General, as this applies to all divisions
 

Lith why not make this a !days option then

essentially a casual boost day
 

Lith why not make this a !days option then

Lith why not make this a !days option then

But remember how bad the rest of stolenmix is?

Best solution. Jadow adds extream climb to stolen mix and we never play clouds again

Okay

ur a cartoon character

ur a cartoon character

tbh I wish. Working on 1.13.1 make my eyes bleed because of plugins compatibility.

ur a cartoon character

ur a cartoon character

can we promote @Lottamos to dl now

So your so desperate to get me removed you use a example of me trolling seg to try and get me banned. All your points are wrong. Were do I even start.
 
yes it is true that I argue more than I should argue with people over free kills but when is the last time you've seen me make a huge deal about a free kill since that time you massed and I didn't have any evidence. In fact the one time I argued over something today was when someone cheated my lr on accident because of my "poor marker placement" but after 2 rounds I dropped it. So if you really think something like that every day or two is that big of a deal then your insane. 
Your getting mad at me for making up rules. I can rant on and on about times you've made up rules to get people who don't "know the rules" to slay. In fact if you can show evidence of me making up a rule 3 times then ill give you 100$. The stuff your saying is simply not true. This statement is extremely hypocritical.
 
No I wasn't. wtf are you talking about. when I asked you what in discord you couldn't even remember.
Lets name one example from a month ago were there wasn't evidence so he had to drop it. After reading this I realized 90% of this post is salt. You've already said this whole topic. My favorite part about this whole post has to be how important you think complaining/wanting someone slayed is. What do you think I did when I was free killed the other day and we had no evidence. I dropped it so if you want to bring up and show proof/examples of me breaking these rules then id be happy to admit to this but let me be clear that if you bring up stuff from months ago I don't think anyone is gonna respect it. 
 
I think I need to add a bit of closure to my defense. Add some evidence, don't be hypocritical, and just because people think i'm annoying doesn't mean you can go and make up stuff about me because at this rate your making me look like a douche bag  and deforming my character.

+1 "Silence is the person marrying Rhododendron right?" - Goldfish

+1 "Silence is the person marrying Rhododendron right?" - Goldfish

can we promote @Lottamos to dl now

can we promote @Lottamos to dl now

can we promote @Lottamos to dl now

can we promote @Lottamos to dl now

Easy Fucking -1
Oh boy. I didn't wanna make a full essay, I didn't feel the need to because I thought it was pretty obvious he is everything but fit to be a moderator and didn't wanna waste my time, but I think this needs to be said. I'm not gonna put a lot of effort into this one like @Sodium's but, hot yikes brother.
First off, I'm gonna bump Sodium's member app -1 down to my third strongest -1 and put this as probably my second strongest -1, and it is strongly competing with lolisme's ban protest -1. 
Goldfish, AKA lot_of_mos, might possibly be the worst possible moderator we could have. His lack of common sense and inability to reason are just a few of the problems I have with him. Him with powers would be an awful mess of him not even thinking "hey, maybe I was wrong" before straight up slaying or even banning. He would gag anybody who is even remotely disrespectful, ironically or not, and worst of all he would be extremely biased.
First off, goldfish has problems with some members, one of the main ones being @ScottNi. There's been many times where goldfish has complained about scott for something that goldfish was wrong about, and tried to get him banned for a hypothetical HE made up. In this same incident, after being told by several members, mods, admins, the division leader, and even a community manager that he was wrong and he should drop it, he continued to INSIST that he was right, and only stopped after his mute. I can easily see goldfish's punishments being more severe and biased against the poor souls whom the almighty goldfish does not find pleasing. He would be insanely power hungry and most likely abuse the hell out of his powers. He seems to think anytime he dies is a freekill and there would be a lot of people getting falsely slayed. This is the exact kind of behavior I get from JohnGalt42. 
Goldfish also has problems with common sense. There have been countless times where he makes a statement that is just plain wrong or debates on something while being hugely misinformed. He can never admit he is wrong and seems to not actually fully understand the rules of the server. He has issues with understanding basic things and has a bad grasp on reality. He has people issues and has a very hard time making relationships which is a problem and not something we want out of a moderator representing the clan. He whines about everything and in general has a thing for trouble.
Goldfish, you yourself need to understand that there is always room for improvement but you need to actually act on it, because we're not just going to suddenly like you for no reason, you have to try and become a likeable person. Stop being a troll.
Lastly, you're extremely annoying and immature, yet self aware. I'm not just saying this like some middle school girl or older sister who needs a reason to hate someone, I'm saying this because you are the definition of annoying. I don't care about your voice, there are people who have voices ten times worse than yours where I would rather stab myself than hear them, but you are something different. I don't want to stab myself hearing your voice, I want to stab myself hearing your arguments and accusations. You seem to purposely annoy people and also feed off of it. Everything we tell you not to do or how to improve, you take it and pull it inside out. The worst part of this is that you know full well that everybody finds you annoying and continue to annoy people as an attempt at a "funny" reaction. 
The biggest factor of my -1 is that you don't try to improve and you are a huge troll. You made this app after being told you would get -1'd to hell and also being told your flaws, and you did it anyways. You knew you weren't going to get accepted, and just by looking at the description of your mod app I can easily tell you did this as another attempt to troll us. I don't even understand how you got MEMBER, probably because @Lithium did it out of pity. A colossal portion of the community doesn't seem to enjoy your presence, and you abuse this by making it worse. You're like a little cousin who knows he's annoying and just to be a little devil acts abnormally annoying to piss everyone off like if they fed off of anger.
In conclusion, Goldfish is an absolutely terrible candidate for moderator due to his lack of reasoning, his immaturity, and his inbility to form solid relationships. he would abuse his powers and have a large amount of bias. I shouldn't even have to be saying this.
By making this moderator application, I have now lost all respect for you. You should really catch a hint, bud. 
To make a long story short, what @Genocide said is perfect.
EDIT: Everyone posted while I was still typing this up, RIP.