Tatost

3 hours ago, zoemama said:

Aren't you gay?

toxic : (

19 minutes ago, Dannypicacho said:

I didn't help push icy out of the community. Most of the time I was chill with icy but I was honest with him in telling him that we often didn't want him in 10mans because of his behaviour. The forum post I made saying "mission complete" was meant to say "you guys made him leave". It was never my intention to make Icy leave, since he was good with the Minecraft server, but I didn't care that he left. If he's gonna leave because nobody enjoys him playing 10mans, that's not my problem.

When I made that comment on discord I was referring to you getting mad at friendly jokes between people and telling them to read your post.

The context in that pic is me defending Dukey because people were making him do something he wasn't comfortable with when he didn't agree to the rules beforehand. (Not the golfit shoe rules, something else) 

The only "friendly jokes" I saw were people making fun of Icy's goodbye post despite them being told multiple times by staff like Virr or Tuna to stop.

If the section about you being involved with the toxicity surrounding Icy was uneducated, then that's my b. Just be aware that this entire discussion about harassment in our community is not something to be taken lightly, so I'll go so far as to force feed people this thread as long as they get the memo.

Just going to make a reply to this, as Discord is not the ideal platform for something like this. @Dannypicacho

No, I don't think everything is harassment; However, using someone's name as an insult? That's harassment. Shit talking someone to the point where they leave the community? That's harassment.  Call me crazy, but are you not one of the people that pushed Icy to the point where he left the community? Sure, he may have fucked up as a DM, but that's kind of what's to be expected from someone who's new to a position of power. He might be toxic in ten manners, but that can be dealt with. My point is that there are other ways to solve these problems than going around beating people with the ugly stick. This sort of behavior makes everyone else look like an asshole. I mean, I don't have much room to talk because I know I can be toxic as fuck, but it's kind of embarrassing seeing staff members doing more hurting than helping in these situations. The entire point of me writing this thread was to make sure people at least made an attempt to help out.

Not going to call out any names, but a few specific staff members seriously need to get a fucking grip and play their role in the community. If you think for even a second that this applies to you, it most likely does.

4 hours ago, Shadower said:

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I have ptsd from you being on guard hfs

Holy fucking shit we need to make people read this thread because apparently some people didn’t get the memo. Stop bullying people out of the community ffs guys.

1 hour ago, Brady1780 said:

LOOK! I WON

 

 It's good to see that one of my threads doesn't go to complete and utter shit. Hopefully, this thread helps players old and new better themselves, in turn making this community a nicer place : )

if one of you bastards starts shit I'm going to kill your minecraft dog

52 minutes ago, DepressedNeonNepp said:

Haha funny joke bringing up something that I want to be forgotten won't be forgotten haha hilarious you guys have such a sense of humor.

There's a reason to why I left the discord, which was to avoid what this thread is about, and because I barely even play tf2 let alone xG anymore

No need for the not-so-passive-aggressiveness. I'm sure he doesn't hold any bias against you, he's just illustrating a point I made earlier. I can assure you he wasn't pointing anything out for comedic value, just voicing some concerns, which was the entire point of me making this thread.

9 hours ago, Tatost said:

I'm not in any way, shape or form condoning previous actions made by either Goldfish or Nep. I can understand where you're coming from, as I had to dig myself out of the hole I was digging for myself since my first demotion up until my apology thread. However, I am most definitely not condoning the actions that the members of our community are taking against these two (i.e. using their name as an insult, fat manning them out of ten mans, etc.).

Shit needs to be said, and groundwork needs to be placed to at least make an attempt at making this community the best it can be. No one here is out to get you or anything, promise. That being said, we as a community cannot be solely responsible for a player's (in this case you, Nep) actions. We're here to help you, not hurt you. As @Topaz said, if you think something is bothering you, don't be afraid to get in touch with any staff members / friends / other members to vent your frustrations. I didn't make this thread to give people a reason to snap back at someone, but to turn this community around to a point where we can hold civilized discussions without segregating ourselves out of pure rage.

- Side note

2 hours ago, Bonk said:

When we still did it, the captains chose who was fat-manned. It wasn't always automatically Goldfish; when it was, it was because the captains preferred a different player over him. I don't think that's harassment.

Yeah, I don't doubt that as I'm not a direct witness. However, I've just heard rumors that there are some ten mans that Goldfish tried to organize, but wasn't allowed to participate because player x joined with the sole intention of forcing him out of the game. That's where my problem lies, feel free to correct me if that's not the case.

23 hours ago, Red said:

i'm joking sorry.

goodbye : (

I've seen and heard of the "fun" commands given to staff member being abused. I can see where LeToucan is coming from with his concern, but I'm sure the people for bringing it back must have a reasonably supported opinion.

Staying neutral as I couldn't care less, so long as the staff uses their powers responsibly.

7 hours ago, Rabid said:

I stopped taking it seriously when you defended  this. I'm sorry but there is a reason he is not liked and its a damn good one, when you dig your grave you better try damn fucking hard like I did to undig it to be liked by many, Have not even seen a single attempt for him to make him self liked. I understand the point of your post but you really need to use better examples if you're going to use examples. I for one understand having levels to toxicity, and if people exceed it staff should not bat eyes to people they like.

I think you misunderstand my motive here. I'm not in any way, shape or form condoning previous actions made by either Goldfish or Nep. I can understand where you're coming from, as I had to dig myself out of the hole I was digging for myself since my first demotion up until my apology thread. However, I am most definitely not condoning the actions that the members of our community are taking against these two (i.e. using their name as an insult, fat manning them out of ten mans, etc.). As members of the community, we should be the better person and at least attempt to reform them, not shut them out or harass them. Leave the past in the past, I know for a fact the people we as a community target can be good kids if you don't push them over the edge.

This brings me back to the point that just because this is the internet does not mean you can say whatever you damn well please. Not to mention the fact that Goldfish himself has said that the constant harassment he's subjected to on the daily is the main reason that he acts the way he does. The video provided in the OP is a prime example of this ideology, the peers (the community) are at just as much fault as the accused (harassed person pushed over the edge).

24 minutes ago, james8470 said:

Finally got around to reading this and you're spot on.

I'm glad you brought up rule consistency because, if you know one thing about me, it's that I hate rule/rule enforcement inconstancy.

I've literally asked for inconsistencies in the rule book to be changed at least 3 times on the forums and by DMs to higher ups over the course of almost 2 years and some of those inconsistencies are still there.

And what you said about motivation is interesting because ha ha we had the exact same problem with the MC division. @Arthman does a good job though. 

true gamer spends countless hours doing volunteer work making a minecraft server for people to enjoy

people play on the server for two months and then it dies

server is reset

feelsbadman

6 minutes ago, james8470 said:

And what divisions/servers/platforms (discord/forums) is the bullying taking place the most @Tatost, because I rarely ever see anyone getting harassed. 

I see it in both CS and TF2, hence why I provided some examples from both divisions. I only used those two as examples because they're widely known.

Although harassment is not something unknown to the community prior to this post, I thought I would reflect on the state of the problem as it currently stands. This thread will make me seem even more like a high school counselor, which I really couldn't care less about.

Harassment generally goes hand-in-hand with drama, which @Caleb956 explained perfectly in his recent thread. (See below)

On 1/25/2019 at 7:29 PM, Caleb956 said:

Drama

 

Between several servers, different discords, groups, there has been on common theme between all of them.  That theme, is the absolute inability of people to get along with other people that have opposing views, creating drama.  There are times that a simple discussion turns into an absolute shitfest for no reason at all, and fuel must be added to the fire no matter what in order to fit each person's own narrative.  There are also times when people are constantly mocked on the servers for one reason or another, and when they ask the person who is doing it to the stop the response is usually “get over it” or “just local mute them”.  How is that a solution we should be enforcing at all? If people are mocking someone just to annoy them, or get a reaction, or whatever other reason, it is harassment, and should be handled as such.  When things are agreed upon and finished, it doesn’t come lightly, it comes when one person steps in and says let's get this done with, almost as if the two opposing parties are unable to even communicate without being at each others throats, let alone negotiate, unless a third party steps in.  It’s time to brighten up and get along with each other.

 

You may be asking, “why is this a problem?” Or you may be rolling your eyes at this point, well I'm directing this at everyone.  With the rate of how things are going, these servers we love to play on could very well be dead sooner than any of us think if something doesn’t change.  If that doesn’t concern you can you really call yourself a community member? It's all of our jobs to not only maintain the servers, and not only to play on the servers, but the most important job of all of us, is to have fun playing on the servers, not only for ourselves but for others.  We all represent xG, even if you aren’t a part of the clan, when you are playing on the servers, talking on the forums, or in the discord, you are representing xG and who we are as a clan.  Do we really want drama to be the thing that defines us when people look at the clan? Do we really want people to walk away because of it? I know I don't, and I sure hope you don’t either.  It doesn’t matter if “it's just online”, everyone here is a real person, with feelings of their own, we aren't built the same, and we weren't built to handle emotions the same as the next person.  If someone has a problem with how you act towards them, or how you treat them, then it's time to lighten up and be considerate for other people's feelings. As is such with the Castroy situation, he is repeatedly mocked with a phrase that is very well known to hurt him, but it is continued anyways because those doing it like seeing the reaction, or seeing that it annoys him.

Quite recently I've seen certain players/members being harassed over complete bullshit. As someone who was previously kicked out of the community entirely, I find it infuriating that staff members haven't been cracking down on the people who do it on the daily. Some specific examples of harassment going on in both CS and TF2 would be the situations surrounding @DepressedNeonNepp and @Lottamos. People constantly throw their names around as insults or attempt to troll them to the point where they will get angry, leave the server/community for x amount of time. I won't call out specific names, but I've seen plenty of members and staff partaking in these sorts of activities. As I said previously, we're a gaming community, not an exclusive club. Make people feel welcome. Please stop trying to push people out of the community.

You can never really get to know a person if you constantly harass them. For example, when people pick on Nep they portray him as this toxic little asshole when he really isn't. I've seen him a few times on the CS surf server (albeit he was under an alias at the time) and he was a genuinely enjoyable person. Now, I know school shooters are kind of a touchy subject on here, but I'd like to use a TEDx Talk to illustrate my point that being kind to someone can keep them from making bad decisions. If I cross some sort of line linking the video, I can understand and invite any forum staff to go ahead and cut out this section of my rant.

Although I highly encourage everyone to both read the entirety of my post and watch the entire video, I'll insert a TL;DR.

TL;DR - This community is plagued with members, staff and random players that can't seem to control themselves when it comes to harassing another person online. The argument that this is the internet and you shouldn't take anything seriously is complete horseshit, stop using it. Please be kind to other players instead of antagonizing them over nothing. Staff members need to start cracking down on this sort of behavior, be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I cannot find your ban. I've tried searching the name and steam ID. I'm probably just a retard and fucked something up : (

Message from my brother in the Upper Peninsula. It's apparently kind of bad up there.

I feel as though I've already been baited because prior to these incessant posts I never really thought you were an enjoyable person. Stop giving people reasons to hate you. I'm honestly surprised that you even got member in the first place, seeing that most of what people say about you is negative.

You've reached the point to which you are even more annoying to have around than @ThunderLimes.

I generally don't watch any shows other than anime because my family camps hard on the only two screens that have cable. With a lack of actual TV shows to watch, Hunter x Hunter and JoJo are my current favorites.

John Galt is the only 1 don't @ me.

30 minutes ago, bagggel said:

GMOD UCH LETS GO BABYYYYY

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18 hours ago, Tatost said:

Frank Sinatra will always be one of my favorites.

Okay, apparently this isn't actually the Frank Sinatra cover I was looking for. The person who made this video is just dumb, and this is Morten Harket. I realized this when I actually played it today. In substitution, I present "Fly Me To The Moon," which is another good one.

Frank Sinatra will always be one of my favorites.

39 minutes ago, ScottNi said:

Your mic was not working? how were they supposed to know to go to your marker?

He didn't know until after the fact that no one could hear him.

Writing essays on an online gaming forum. @Dannypicacho : )

Despite us not having the best of relationships, I can't even fathom the amount of stress you're under. GL on getting better, fam