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I feel like half of the people in here need to (re-)read that thread I made in regards to personal opinion. Getting people to post their opinion without coming back and spouting off why they're right when someone offers their own opinion is like trying to convince the Pope that everything he believes in is wrong. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you shouldn't reply at all, just that you can do so in a respectful manner. Obviously this doesn't apply to those who are intentionally trying to get a rise out of you. Just ignore those particular replies. In regards to the Ban Protest, my initial thought is "his ban was reduced from a permanent ban already. Why is this even being considered?" But that's just me being my typical "rule nazi" self. Although I would like to point out the fact that one of the few reasons the ban was dealt was for Vector to develop a more "community-friendly attitude that doesn't involve overly-hostile or discriminating remarks". A quick look at his postings from May up until now does show little turbulence (there are a few moments where the attitude and arrogant remarks are seen) but a three month period isn't (in my opinion) enough time to determine whether someone has become more tolerant of others. The biggest thing that's preventing me from giving a 1-up is Vector's attitude, nothing more, nothing less. The guy did a hell of a good job as a Staff Member when enforcing rules; the problem was that he did it in an unprofessional and albeit overly aggressive way. With that said, I'm not saying that every Staff Member is perfect, because there is no way I could know that as I don't play TF2 (let alone our Servers on there). The thing is that they aren't on trial here, so to speak. Now, before anyone begins to get the idea that I'm judging based on what others have said, I'm not. I'm speaking from personal experience. I know Vector comes off incredibly blunt first hand. I would also like to clarify that I do not care what problems Members have with him. I am purely concerned with how his behaviour may affect XenoGamers as a whole. It goes without saying that people will be less inclined to play on a Server with someone who belittles or excessively abuses players; that applies to anyone and everyone who fits that category in general, not just Vector. My only grievance is that Vector has made it clear that he doesn't want to change his ways, but this is only a problem to me because it can directly influence players on the Servers in a negative way. There are certain qualifications that Members (more prominently as a Staff Member) of XenoGamers should keep in mind, but it seems like those qualifications have just degraded and degraded over time. Being in XenoGamers means you represent xG, you stand for what xG symbolizes, for a lack of better words. As poetic as that sounds, it's true. There isn't a reason to belittle some people for not knowing the rules, for asking frivolous questions or for stating their opinion. Obviously this goes hand-in-hand with determining whether someone is just trolling or genuinely asking. I really want to type out a TL;DR, but I won't because I'm pretty drained already. As always, I give a +/- 0 on this Ban Protest. @Vector just, try not to be too arrogant on the Servers bud, that's all I'm asking. Don't drive away potential Members or regulars by being too much of an áss hat. Love you doe ;) Gist of post is in red.

First things first, it should be discussed with ALL community leaders, not just nom and silence. I don't know why the ban was changed pre-empively, it looks like someone just wants to see Vector permed in my opinion. Additionally, these secret conversations are kinda dumb. If you have something to say, especially if it involves something that was as disputed as Vector's ban, use admin discussion. We aren't a secret society, be more transparent about community issues. All higher-ups deserve to have easy access to all major community discussions. Lastly, I'd like some more info about what's happening in this conversation. Was there an open debate about the status of Vector's ban, or was it leaning more towards a forceful imposition of one viewpoint. Screencaps of the conversation would be greatly appreciated (sent via steam or in a thread in admin discussion).

... I know why the ban was changed... From the tf2 higher up conversation, about a week or two ago. No personal attacks or shitstorm. This thread will be closed for now to avoid a derail and so [uSERGROUP=23]@Community Leader[/uSERGROUP] can reply. -closed for now

Obviously some people didn't read the WHOLE thread and only read the first page and skimmed through the rest. I'm going to respond to forest and banana shoes after work today. But I want to direct attention to when I said I guess I'll be less hostile to people but won't be straight up with them. People seem to think that because I won't apologized for what happened before means I won't change. That's a hunk of bull shi. It just means I don't think I did really anything wrong in my views. Your views can be different. Also banana shoes Obviously you don't know what I'm talking about when I mean when was the last time I chewed someone out? I mentioned that in regards of after being banned. So that whole "doesn't want to a knowledge the past" is complete utter nonsense. Also banana shoes do you understand what I am even typing? In the second quote I was talking about when was I ever a " problem" before tf2? Hidingmaster said years and I was questioning why he thought CSS was apart of it when nothing happened in that time. Your misinterpretation of my comments generates negative views when you say you will give me the benefit of the doubt when you obviously didn't. Like I said before I'll give a more analytic response to both when I get back from work.

+1 Same opinion as @Floppy, I don't know much from the past but what I've seen recently is that he's pretty cool and enjoyable to play with. A:8 M:8

is good +1 a 7/10 m 7/10 :llama::llama::llama::llama::llama::llama::llama::llama::llama:

Also people I'm not permed from the servers I'm going to be unbanned September 26th but for some reason someone changed my ban back to a perm and I'm still waiting on diabeetus and Lee for an answer

We've had our ups and downs, but I'm torn on this one. You knew how to do your job. None of us will argue that. But you are arguably the most toxic person in the clan. I think you can wait out your ban like any other person would. You've said multiple times you will NEVER change. So why should you get a reduction on your punishment? Since you're just gonna go back to your old self. Sorry boss, but Ima -1 for now

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You seem like a nice guy so I feel bad, but our age minimum is 16. You can re apply once you're 16 and can wear the [xG:rep] tag and continue playing on the servers until then. I look forward to the next member submission. -closed

+1 has improved greatly and would represent us well. A:7/10 M:8/10

I thought this was just BM and we were fucking around, I didn't think you would ACTUALLY make a thread, I mean who does that, if I wanted to leave I'd make my own thread properly :)

A:7 M:7 I'd let him water my plants if i was on holiday. +1

Christ, I am getting really fed up with you flareon. The moment someone doesn't agree with you, you proceed to claim major bias and proceed to insult the CLs because they do not agree with a view point of your own. What about hidingmaster? He's a CL who was CS and doesn't want me unbanned. Why are you straight up not looking at the TF2 people who actually wish to reduce my ban? it's not bias because they are in tf2? The fact you are so immature (called me immature lol) in not accepting other opinions and claim bias while insulting the CLs makes me fully understand why you were demoted. This is also coming from the same person who straight up said, xG should use fear to bring order into the servers, but doesn't like it when someone is mean to him. everyone has some hypocrisy in them but for god sakes, try not to make it so obvious. PUPPET MASTERS UNITE

Also, to add... If a user is using the calladmin command and they genuinely think that there is an issue when there really isn't anything for us to fix, instead of immediately administering a day ban in the future, explain to the individual that the call is not verifiable and give them a warning. If someone is constantly spamming the calladmin command with absolutely NO reason, then we utilize the day ban. Use wise judgments in these situations. Look at it from their perspective. Adapt wasn't trying to use the command without reason. He was just trying to help.

+1 such a great guy, know the rules, was really fun to play "Ban the evading Egossi" but now he's unbanned and I can't do that anymore :( He's really active, and I honestly don't know how he got permed originally since he never seems to break rules...

I literally don't have the time or the data to go through all the malicious posting to people from you. Awesome that people who are higher ups support your unban; they are all not from the relevant division. Also, the people that were messing with the ban before had no relevant time played or experience (current experience) with our TF2 player base. If you wish to be unbanned from the other divisions, I'm sure we can find a way to unban you from CS:S, CS:GO, GMOD, etc. Nope. I haven't been reading any of your posts because I don't feel the need to waste my time reading bitchy, moaning posts I, in fact, am not holding a grudge as your previous ban was fine enough for my grievances. You can make up all the excuses you desire, but I am tired of fighting with you. I cannot overlook the complaints from people that arise. When people tell me they have to avoid the servers because of specific people; it makes me sick to hear about it. Maybe if you actually fess up, and stop trying to play favorites with people so you can act however you want, you wouldn't be in this mess. I'm tired talking about it. Until I see some actual improvement, rather than trying to get away from punishment or trying to wait it out, your ban will not be removed. -------------------------------------------- You can bitch at me all day and call it "racism", holding a grudge, prejudice, anti-semitism, or any other excuse you can think of. I'm trying to be polite and come to a compromise here. If you actually try and own up to your mistakes, and turn a new page, everything can be water under the bridge. Not now, but in the future. Wait a couple months. You can actually see I'm trying to resolve this once and for all so that we will never (hopefully) have to come back to this again. Again, like I said, you don't have to like everyone, but don't be horrible to everyone.

Sorry guys. I consulted with Nom on the matter and we spoke with Rhodo. The CLs went back on their decision and I have yet to see an improvement on behavior on the forums from him, so he won't be unbanned. I don't care if he knows the rules or if he even helped to make some of them. That doesn't exempt him from them or allow for behavior like this. You can say I have a grudge, or that I'm "butthurt" or whatever you want. I honestly don't care and wasn't thinking about this until Nom talked about shaping up the Tf2 division and making it more appetizing and less stressful for new and current people. One of the main reasons people told me they avoided the servers like the plague were because of specific people that were playing on them. Trust me, Vector isn't the only one and some more may be leaving as well, that is if they try to cause more problems than they already have. Suggestion: Maybe he should consider not tearing everyone a new one whenever they disagree with him or get a rule wrong. Not everyone is intentionally trying to cause problems and when you go overboard and humiliate them in front of everyone (instead of being adaptive to each situation), it kind of leaves a mark on them and dissuades them from joining the servers again (i.e. I've noticed this with every young kid ever on our servers). Maybe talk to me in a few months if you have improved your behavior. Try to actually act civil like the adult you are, and it might actually happen! Have a good night everyone! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also no, a mona pizza will not get you out of this. The highest authority has set the ban. Maybe this time we can actually fix the root of the problem, rather than cover it up or make it into a joke. Edit: And yes, I will actually consider unbanning you if you do change your attitude around. Not saying you have to like everyone, but don't be flat out horrible to everyone.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure complaining about and mocking the tf2 division every single day is going to make us +1 you.

-1 Lots of things I could say about why he should stay banned but I will sum it up with one sentence. Vector is an asshole and I don't think he represents our clan very well and, especially because he often starts fights with randoms on our Tf2 servers. I feel that he should stay banned especially because we did give him more than enough warnings and chances to redeem his immature behavior.

too bad this isn't your living room ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

yes, LOADING.... and once that is done, it doesn't make a difference anymore. Isn't that what I said? yes, definitely put your OS and startup programs on it so you can boot fast, but don't buy more of them or bigger ones just for games, it's a waste.

I remember when buttstallion had Asian food days

didn't even tag me </3 :c (TwoZeroFour plz)

Let's not forget that the whole reason ban protests are a thing is that to ask the question, "Does this banned person deserve to be allowed back to our servers?" I can agree to second chances, but i can't say it's a good idea in this case. Every time a ban protest shows up, we should be asking this question. "Does this person represent the clan well?" Lets examine the posts on this thread. I'll give Vector the benefit of the doubt and give him three chances. 1. Explicitly says he will not change. If Vector was to be accepted back, will he better represent the clan? Answer: No That's one favor of mine lost to Vector. You were demoted for your behavior. That seems like reprehension. You have NO reason to say you didn't know what you were doing was wrong. Another favor. Off topic, but I think this is important. Vector doesn't even want to acknowledge the reason he was banned for. He should know up-front what he did to be banned before even making this thread. I fail to see that he actually sees what the problem is with his behavior. He doesn't see the need to change, so he won't want to. Just thought it would be good to bring that up. This is the most important point. If you were a potential regular on the server and Vector was unbanned, what if he didn't change? People would be driven away from the server, good and bad. Even I remained inactive on the servers for a long while because all of this bs was going on with Vector. The only reason I came back and stayed was because of other members of this clan bringing me back. The problem is that Vector can maybe someday return, but not without a change of attitude. Attitude of the moderators, admins, DMs, DLs, etc can have a HUGE impact on if people choose to stay. We should definitely consider this with all ban protests, not just Vector. Overall, that's the last favor.

It's bigger waste to buy an SSD period, if you're not going to all your games on it. If you need more space than 500gb, a 1tb sshd would be a good addition. 1TB ssds are a complete troll though. It just means you don't know how to free up space properly. You can free up a good 50gb/500gb of space using disk cleanup and the community winapp2.ini for ccleaner. And put stupid things like torrent downloads which degrade the life of your ssd on sshd. Plus games you're only going to launch once or twice are fine on sshd.

Fuck it, i almost never close things. Sorry, you are too young, please try again when you are 16 years old. We should be still around by then. ~Closed Did i do it right mom?

glhf nerdo

I mean.. have fun on your vacay