Elcark

+1 pretty friendly and polite, also knows that bunker is a bad map

A:8

M:9

Go to sleep 

Definitely no for noclip. It's very niche to keep it solely for moderators with uber donor when that's not going to be all moderators to begin with and then even then only a small fraction of non-staff donators, and if we were concerned with mods having access to noclip, they'd have it.

Here's a few more that can be thrown on.

!colorme (Used to change your color.) We could go either way on this really. It's been determined many times that it is fine to use in combat so long as it isn't causing clear confusion (ie coloring black) but really few people do use it when they are intent on fighting. We could include it, but probably would prevent more issues then we'd create by not. 

!rocketme (Launches you in the air, like a rocket.) 

!rainbowme (Applies a rainbow outline around you)

!tauntem (Taunt with any taunt)

!tauntem_list (Lists the available taunts)

!ball (Simply put, spawn a ball)

!cleanballs (Remove spawned balls)

6 hours ago, Tatost said:

Saying that it's pretty easy to form an A/M rating it wouldn't hurt to use one.

Pretty much this. Nothing really changed for them or anything, people just got lazy about it after the membership changes. Typically it's 50/50 if they will show up (if someone uses them, most the time others follow suit).

Xander's ban has been changed and extended to one week due to the disrespect and toxicity he has caused, but the issue of scamming has been determined to not have been his own fault.

Maf will be banned for one week for trolling and entrapping xander. 

~Closed

Surf

Maps

-Added surf_nameless

Freak Fortress

Maps

-Added vsh_seine_b3

Bosses

-Removed Human Sentry Buster
-Removed Hitler
-Removed Mokou
-Removed Triceratops
-Removed Ganon
-Added Game and Watch
-Added Cuphead
-Adde ripperro
-Added Wamuu

Special Weapons
These unique weapons have special boons to them that are active when equipped, more to come

Warrior's Spirit (hyper heavy)
Grants a speed boost
Removes primary and secondary ammo

The Gas Passer
Explode's on ignite

The Thermal Thruster 
Stuns when landing near the boss

Splendid Screen and Tide Turner
(Nearly) Instantaneous recharge
No health from external sources while shield is active (medics/health packs)

The Ambassador 
Fires a single round that does large critical damage on headsots
Much slower reload speed

@Miyukii @Johny3Tears I had just answered this in that post.

-The objective server will be done. 
-It's at the bottom of the current projects due to lack of interest.
-This thread is just to gauge interest from people early on. It doesn't even guarantee anything is going to be set up
 

1 hour ago, TBOHB said:

MGE would be pretty dope. But you guys remember that stock rotation server we said we would use but never did? Me too...

There are other more pressing things to be worked out right now like Kypari mentioned. Due to the minimal support for it last time it was brought up (https://xenogamers.com/forums/topic/23005-objective-server-requests/) it became a pretty low priority compared to other projects. 

It's right now one of the three main things being worked on (again, low priority) but there's no harm in getting ideas for another server setup in the meantime, especially if that server gets more feedback and support.

Freak Fortress

Maps

-Added vsh_mannopoly_a6

Bosses

-Removed Sonic.exe
-Removed Cuddly Heavy
-Removed Handsome Jack
-Removed Pacman 2
-Removed Chuck Norris
-Removed Garfield
-Removed Goofy
-Removed Radigan
-Added Dio Brando (rage still under revision) 
-Added Ganadorf
-Added Murshu
-Added Peacock
-Added Sans

Surf

Maps

-Updated Rainbow and lullaby
-Added surf_flux_arena_b3
-Added surf_chaos_fix_tf2_v3

TGH

Maps

-Added trade_plaza_station_square_v1

Donator Info

-Disabled Footstep sounds for HHH to prevent them from being heard map wide
-Changes to a custom title require a charge of $2.50 if not done within 24 hours of purchase
-A private custom title may be given to up to two other individuals when purchased. 

On 5/12/2018 at 8:56 AM, Vexx said:

Pokemon trade has much less spawn protection than TGH, which could be changed but I know people who go on pokemon trade dislike spawn protection as it stands currently. Extending the spawn protection will most likely upset people, so we might as well just keep the teleport spawn camping rule there.

This is indirect to your question, but I do agree with this here. It's not too often I'll hear someone complain about spawn protection and it will usually be when someone is right up to a spawn door, but it's definitely complained about on pokemon more than other places. Keep in mind a lot of fighting on that server happens relatively close to the spawns on a number of maps, so there would be more than just a few cases of it having a direct effect on a lot of combat. 

36 minutes ago, Tatost said:

If you want to take choosing staff to the next level, you should start playing a lot more on the servers the applicant plays on. In this case, Surf, as that is the only server I've ever seen Tuna play on.

I know you're not around often to see it so I will explain that surf is where I spend probably almost half my time on the servers, and lately I have spent a significant amount of time going to ones I otherwise wouldn't at the time specifically to keep an eye on certain individuals over these last several weeks for this purpose. It's regrettable that we are not on at the same time or if it's that I don't notice when he is on (really, I haven't seen him on any server once whenever i'm on despite his hours), but I think you're viewing this all as something it is not by claiming i'm being too hasty in my decision. This is not some cut and dry ordeal where I am straight up denying him staff. I've already stated i'm hopeful to see more out of him so that he could possibly show that he is capable, but also that I can't change my mind without either seeing this or it being shown to me. 

That's why this whole process is open like it is, to give time for him to show improvement or whatever need be and for people to show if that exists or not on applications for it. A major point in what I said earlier can be summed up in this-

59 minutes ago, Elcark said:

Just as much as you or anyone who shares the same opinion on tuna as you are not going to be moved by such simplicity as "-1 immature", someone who holds an opposite opinion isn't by "+1 friendly",

There was nothing in the statements against tuna that made you think he didn't deserve staff, but there's nothing in the statements for tuna that have made me think he does. I know you aren't trying to start poop (s h i t, I'm tired of seeing "poop") and just are defending your friend, and I respect what you're trying to do because of that. It's because of that respect though that I haven't pried at you to explain your defense for him, I definitely believe you think he would make a good staff member, but I hold that same regard for everyone else too which is why I've been defending against calling people out to explain. If people want to, it will help this discussion in either respect which is why I have both times explained my point of view, but no one is required to either. 

1 hour ago, Tatost said:

I believe it was Bello in Skelly's goodbye thread who said: "You can't really prove someone is mature, but you can prove that they are immature." 

This is itself an opinion, whether you choose to agree with it or not. Frankly I do not at all. Maturity is not some base standard that you have and only lack if you do something to lose it. It's a construction of your behavior, and as such can only exist in a positive light if constructed positively first. You do not describe someone as being mature until they've done something that makes you believe they in fact are. 

Just as much as you or anyone who shares the same opinion on tuna as you are not going to be moved by such simplicity as "-1 immature", someone who holds an opposite opinion isn't by "+1 friendly", and someone who doesn't know or have an opinion to hold of him isn't likely going to be moved significantly in either direction by both statements. You're very correct that staff privileges shouldn't be held lightly and denied on a debately mediocre statement alone, but they shouldn't be given based on such a statement either. This is why vouches despite being a way for people to express their opinion on someone are more used to show how this person reflects on others in their actions but don't individually tip scales from simple pluses and minuses the same way it did in membership apps. A positive vouch from a friend isn't always going to have as much weight to it as say one from someone who may have disliked tuna in the past but believes they have improved vastly. A negative vouch from someone who has disliked tuna isn't going to have as much weight as someone who has not known them for long but had nothing but unpleasant experience with them. Regardless of how right or wrong on some opinionated scale someone may be in their vouch, they are still entitled to express it and just as valid as the next person who doesn't back up what is ultimately just their opinion. 

As to my thoughts on those specific examples of "controversy" you mentioned, you said yourself he did not start anything in skelly's thread and even though he may have been the catalyst for the conflict there, he did not create it himself (like kypari said he stepped back after both he and skelly had been warned over their issue far before). With krampus's thread, regardless of intent it was handled very poorly by everyone involved in it's conception including Tuna and certainly hasn't left the best impression because of that. Neither of these though would by why i'd be either for or against tuna getting staff. Whether someone is fit or not isn't determined by something as singular as being friendly, helpful, or having good intent, because someone could be all of these and still do an incredibly poor job at staff for alternative reasons. This is why quite often the best way to determine how someone would do is their behavior on the server over time.

My experience with tuna as to that, as I said before, was entirely negative with him quite often being disdainful or even snobbish when someone breaks rules and when confronted about it would play it off as if it were a joke, effectively ignoring any criticism and at no point showing an attempt to improve on it. If he did so in private or not does not change how he handled it publicly and how that reflected his personality. I also stated that I've seen a lot of pleasantry in his behavior on discord over time and would love to see that reflect on the servers, but like I said just because someone is pleasant does not mean that they would do a good job at staff by any means. I would not vouch for someone positively myself unless I was sure that they would handle it well, and there is nothing I have experienced from tuna first hand or otherwise that shows me this would be the case. 

On 6/20/2018 at 12:25 PM, Kypari said:

A quick thing I want to bring up:

• Making you able to cap against Liberty Launcher Soldiers on FF2

I would like this to be added to the FF2 rules/list who you can cap against as these fights can go on for very long and as they lose little to no health when combined with the gunboats, I would like to see this possibly added.

I'm a bit iffy on this. We seem to have an odd back and forth on allowing to cap against things the hale can't catch, and my own opinion wavers a lot on it. People are seemingly in favor of capping against charging demomen, but not against one that has gathered "heads" for a constant speed boost that keeps them ahead of the hale as easily as a scout could, and I don't think I should have to state my opinion on just making the rules big long lists. 

For now, I think i'd like the rule to state you can cap against scouts and spys, and though this last part might need re-visioning depending on how the new powers work and how staff are able to uphold it, but "anything that the hale cannot catch to engage." Then again rage can often deal with such issues too, so despite that wording i'm still very unsure. 

-1

What could have been a very simple matter today only showed that even if you're working on improving it (something that does show most the time) you still have the same issues with your anger and lashing out at people.

8 hours ago, Tatost said:

If it isn't intentional it shouldn't really be enforced.

Idealistically, yes. That being said when these accidental interruptions begin to happen several times in a row and there is nigh consistently multiple people talking whenever anyone uses the mic it becomes necessary to give these kinds of warnings as a reminder to everyone to be more courteous and aware of what is happening. The fact that it is often not intentional is why these warnings often don't have proceeding punishment, most the time no one is doing anything particularly wrong. A level of self-moderation is required to avoid these disruptions from happening though, and it's not uncommon people need a reminder to that. If someone is not going to have self control and continue to be disruptive in this manner whether or not intentional then there is no reason everyone else should have to suffer.

It's the same as having a terrible quality microphone. It is on you to try and fix your mic or in this situation try and not talk over someone else. If you aren't going to fix it or you continue to interrupt people, be it intentional, due to being oblivious, or any other reason, you're going to get muted for everyone else's sake. 

This is in regards to several maps lacking any serious relevance to being categorized as "gaming history". Each of these three maps have been criticized extensively over time for barely being excused by to have anything to do with gaming and each have varying amounts of the map covering this criteria. So this is going to be the point to question, should what they have be considered enough?

In terms of what each map actually has to offer, lets take it one at a time.

• Cyberpunk 2_a

Music and poster images from jet set radio. Everything else on this map is custom and not taken from any game source. 

• Bsor

A partial port of bom-omb battlefield from Super Mario 64 as a semi-hidden secret location, a multi-part section based on Goldeneye, and another multi-part hallway and library based on luigi's mansion.

• Masscc

A track based on mario kart and a very small secret minecraft location.

So unless anyone jumps in soon with more opinions, this is what it looks like we have.

-sex toys

-anything that appears like literal genitalia 

-nipple bulges

-outlined genitalia 

-exposed butts

Another touch I forgot to go over too cum. This will be finalized tomorrow.

I've always been against making a continuing list of things that are not allowed to be used for this. I'm fully up for having a few things listed as guidelines and tips due to them being common obscurities, but this is already starting to get dangerously close to where it starts to be a greater amount of what can be done vs what can't and the need to spend a redundant amount of time looking through said list to see if something is on that forbidden "cannot" category. If we start to get on the subject of fetishes and the great length such could get to, we not only get into matters that are incredibly individually opinionated, but it only can be applied directly if the intent is to make the rules more restrictive. That is not the goal here as far as i'm concerned. The goal is to have a better understanding of where to and not to draw the line among staff based on what the rule is and not making the rule itself more lengthy. The only thing that yields relevance to do such for these tips would be to go over things that would become or have been unclear based on the currently used wording, ie things like nipple bulges and exposed butts falling under explicit nudity. 

I'm entirely against discussing if things like this should or should not be flat out allowed and as such am against stating that they aren't.

@Caleb956 does bring up a good point though that these things have caused discomfort in some before. That being said, it varies to what extent that is. If it's a single person who dislikes something then that is hardly a reason to dictate what everyone else is allowed to do. This has been the case multiple times before in regards to sprays and when that person doesn't get their way they sometimes will have their friends come around solely to back them, but that doesn't change that it isn't in the best interest to act on everyone's behave based on the desires of but a few, especially when they aren't acting for the good of everyone else. On the flip side there's been sprays that wouldn't even begin to be unallowed by the wording of the rule but greatly disturbed the server and population as a whole.

Take some of project xenome's sprays, which have been widely regarded as fine and don't upset anyone to any extent they would need removal even though some of them would in fact be the equivalent of inflation, to moldysanvich's sprays. For those who likely don't recognize his situation, he used a very simple inflation spray (hardly even that, really just an "obesity" spray) but it left people so widely disgusted that he eventually managed to get himself permed for using it. These kinds of things are very case by case.

I do in fact have a solution to this.

The whole point of going over sprays with staff like this is to have more trust in them handling any and all situations with sprays, so lets trust them with more power in regards to this as well. There was an old part to the sprays rule, "or anything staff find inappropriate", I say we essentially bring this back. Of course we don't just want this to be a matter of personal opinion from staff. Afterall that's what this whole mess is about. Instead, their goal should be based around this phrasing of words or something similar;

"Remember you always have jurisdiction to step in for the betterment of the server even if the issue at hand isn't something explicitly stated within the rules. If a spray is going to disgust, offend, or otherwise disturb the server as a whole or any large amount of peoples, that is not a spray which should by any means be allowed to be used."

Instead of making a continual list of what may or may not result in a spray that is grotesque or spme fetish, I say we put this in the handbook instead and keep any actual list to those kinds of obscurities I mentioned before. 

Welcome, I hope you find yourself at home here. I haven't had the chance to meet you personally yet but you seem super pleasant!

28 minutes ago, maf427 said:

not everyone on the internet is respectful

• Disrespect, harassment or trolling is not tolerated and may result in a punishment.

Staff are there to try and make the experience on the server as pleasant as possible. If people want to not care for that regard then that is their own issue and hardly reason for everyone else to have to suffer.

+1 

The better one

A:8

M:9

1 minute ago, Tatost said:

examples???

Chill. Not everyone is going to have a folder of evidence they collect against someone, especially when it's been nearly a year since they've been around much. That doesn't meant whatever has been done hasn't left a lasting impression. 

In the time I saw you as staff tuna, to call you great would be a bit of a stretch. You did the basics alright if not mediocre but beyond that you seemed to have some extreme problems with attitude. There was a lot of complaints I heard of in regards to it and just how you acted as staff in many situations from a variety of sources. Personally what I was able to see was that whenever confronted about how you acted, you'd be very dismissive of any of it and practically just ignore what people had to say. You also just didn't seem to have any care or effort when you would come on, but that was more towards the end before you stepped down.

Over the time you've been active on discord though as onegolve said your mood has been really great and you've shown what seems like some real care for the place. Of course you haven't exactly been active on servers for awhile, but with that turning around things are looking up in general from how you were when you left.

It's gonna be a -1 from me for now, but Im hopeful you can turn that around by not only being active on servers but showing that positive attitude there as well. 

So game plan right now. 

To start with Nutty and I need to get playpoints rolled out now that he is finally back. This would have ideally been done yesterday but I was unavailable. Hopefully we can get it attended too finally as soon as both of us are available to do so. 

I want to focus on doing what we must with sprays and staff by Monday. If we're gonna have any other tips to be put in the guide try to have them by then (asking around is gonna be ideal) and then if nothing else I can compile it all together either Monday night or Tuesday.

After playpoints is implemented the next big focus will be jailbreak, which @mrnutty12 @Caleb956 are going to know what is going on there more then me since as far as I understand we are switching out the current plugin for one caleb has either made or found. Once that is done all of us together can find a time to sit down and get the rules list and motd organized like we planned on doing.

Once jailbreak is stable then we can finally do everything that needs to be done for the objective server, which I don't think there's really that much that needs to be done, we just need to know what exactly to add. This is likely going to be the only place we may need assistance @virr , but for most of what I've listed here I don't think I really should have to say i'm much too inexperienced to be able to do myself, so we're all really going to need an extra ounce of effort out of you @mrnutty12.

This might be too short term, but considering a lot of this should have been done a long as hell time ago we really need to push at this point. So, I'd like to see everything here done within two weeks.

1 hour ago, TBOHB said:

what exactly do you mean by this so i can change it?

This isn't exactly the important part, it's what I said that follows.

4 hours ago, Elcark said:

you can often come off rudely if meet with any kind of disdain from doing so. I'd say it can be due to how you can act very cynical in those situations and others

If someone reacts negatively to you calling them out for breaking rules, you seem to retort as if you're patronizing them or with an air of superiority. Sometimes people are just going to act up in these situations to purposefully cause a scene or simply put be an butt. It's important to still treat them politely regardless, with it often being easier to keep things simple if they're going to be stubborn instead of getting into an argument yourself. 

-1

With how you can be quick to call people out, you can often come off rudely if meet with any kind of disdain from doing so. I'd say it can be due to how you can act very cynical in those situations and others and overall just dont see you as that friendly to those you aren't immediately friends with. Not to say you're always an butt by any measure since you do help direct people with information when they need it, but those times you have acted less then polite have left a pretty poor taste with me.

Your activity is also something of note. It's been awhile now that you can be active for periods but it's never long before you disappear usually with nearly no word at all. I would deffinitly need to be more sure that consistent activity would actually be more long term this time.

These are both concerns that made me hesitant about you being staff before and the short time you were left them less then satisfied. It's because of that I'm going to be more critical about them now.