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I have no idea how to express what I am feeling when it comes to this post. I really don't. I guess I'll just start it off bluntly. From my experiences thus far, I have no inherent issues with any of the moderation staff of xG. I rather enjoy their company for the most part. But when I see something like this literally rock-slide out of control, it makes me take a step back and take a good, hard look at the xG servers as a whole. I like you guys. I really do. But there are times when I am facepalming myself so hard I nearly give myself a concussion. The maturity levels of some of our moderators, at times, seems to be extremely underwhelming. There have been many times that I have been in a server and chose to disconnect due to the content being spewed over the voice chat by those who have the power to kick other players. Sometimes, I just don't want to be in the same server as some of you. But, I don't want you guys to think I am trying to stir the pot. I am just being honest. It would seem to me that there needs to be some sort of revolution with the way staff conducts themselves. Some more than others, of course. But for the most part, our staff here do what needs to be done, but there are those moments where things escalate and words are said that do not help the situation at all. Sometimes, it feels like the moderators forget that the other people playing on the servers are, in fact, other people. I consider myself a pretty level-headed individual. I think logically before I speak and try to avoid hasty decisions. I process the possible outcomes of every scenario before I take action. I always try to resolve conflict with open communication. Any time I have an issue with someone, the first thing I try to do is contact that individual so I may directly speak with them. @Mitsu and @Hachi can probably vouch for me on that. I've been known to be an ass, but when I'm an ass and it upsets someone, I am quick to try and fix the problem. I own up to the situation and take responsibility for my actions. I'm not perfect, but I have a pretty good track record of cleaning up my messes. It would seem to me that the moderators need to find that innate ability to own up for their mistakes. EVERYONE makes mistakes, and when those mistakes go uncorrected, the head begins to fester until it bursts. This brings me to the situation at hand. The situation makes me feel a lot of feelings for a lot of the people involved. I feel upset that this rift has been created among the staff. I feel sorry for @Kittylicious and the position she has been placed in. I feel sorry for the other moderators that have been put in this situation and have to defend their actions. I feel sorry for @Nomulous because of the awkward situation it has put him in. It is just a proverbial shitpile. NOTHING good will come of this. But I have chosen to stand and help. I have chosen to remain in the middle, waiting until someone calls on me to referee the situation. I want to help EVERYONE involved on both ends and I want to see a sound resolution to these issues. I teach second graders. I see this kind of stuff DAILY. I can safely say that I am an EXCELLENT mediator when it comes to personal problems, so if ANYONE needs to talk to me about the issue, my door is always open. I only hope that we can resolve this issue civilly. If there's anything I can do to help, please contact me.

If I may, if you're not moving on the server the bot will move you to spectate after 30 minutes, and will outright kick you after 60 minutes. If you're only in spectate the whole time then it will do it after 30 minutes. If you're in spectate and didn't join a team then you should join a team. If you honestly can't take 15 seconds to move just an inch then I feel no sympathy for you if you get kicked by the AFK bot. Now, I do believe that it should be increased but no more than 15 minutes to 45 minutes (meaning if you stay in spectate then you get half the time) and no one gets special treatment. But, this obviously lies with @Nomulous, as he has to fix it and there is a long list of things on the servers to fix/add. And to the staff members who just stay in spectate the whole time, I think you should be more active instead of staying in spectate waiting for something to happen. So, to sum it up. +1 for the bot's time to increase, -1 for staff to get special treatment, +1 to fix everything we need to fix, -1 for this to have priority. Edit: Let's try to find middle ground and make a compromise instead of firing shots.

Holy fuck guys, can't we just get along? I have to agree some choices kitty has made were pretty stupid, but that doesn't give you guys the right to insult kitty over and over. Hell, we all need to stop fighting each other. On a lot of threads, someone posts their opinion and it goes to utter shit. A clan is supposed to respect each other and be friendly. Harassment is a serious thing guys, it needs to stop. Its okay to fight, everyone gets in a fight once in a while, but holding grudges and hating each other won't solve anything. No one in this case is showing maturity. Every time I see one of these threads, a little faith in the maturity of my clan goes away. TL;DR DON'T BE FUCKIN DICKS TO EACH OTHER

I think we should boot that muzzle guy he's an asshole +1

I'll just say this; I stand with no one at the moment and will not side with anyone until I have reviewed everything. Also, keep it clean and don't attack each other. It makes everyone look bad. :coffee:

Alright, I'm going to give my opinion on this matter. I knew this issue couldn't last forever and action needed to be taken. The first point I'd like to say is that kitty becoming mod is not her decision. If you don't think she should have become mod than that's an issue you need to bring to the higher ups. Second of all, the disrespect is way too high and unacceptable. The TF2 xg community is pretty much crap right now due to this conflict. Kitty has presented a lot of evidence of disrespect and I will be surprised if nothing happens from this thread. I'm not going to +1 or -1 right now, but I think that the disrespect some people are showing Kitty NEEDS to stop. Its on a much higher level than other conflicts in the past. The users mentioned in OP definitely need a warning. Last thing I'm going to say is that I honestly don't care if literally everyone in TF2 hates me for not being against kitty. I'm going to stand by my opinion.

Nomulous Edit: For everyone involved, you will be asked to stop immediately. Cyber bullying IS A FEDERAL crime in both Canada and the United States of America. If Kitty decides to report this, both @Nomulous and @Rhododendron WILL be obliged to release your information and any proof that can get you arrested and charged with verbal assault and harassment if you are above the age of 13. This is no joke, upon a formal investigation, we will be obligated to remove you from XenoGamers to restrict damage to our reputation and to restrict legal against dealt against us. Any flaming within this post will result in an IMMEDIATE 24 hour forum suspension. Which is this carries out within steam and servers, will result in an immediate 24 hour Server Ban. This is no joke. We will not take this as a joke. Member's Name: Forge, Muzzle, Izanagi, Kendrick, Starmix, Moosty Member's Steam ID: They are below. Information: several members constantly abusing me by either constantly calling me a bad mod, calling for my demotion and straight forward insults and harassment. There is nothing I have done for the abuse I have been receiving and while I will sometimes retaliate, most of the time I have simply ignored the provocations. Something as simple as a thread discussing a small change to the one of our servers will result in a backlash of hate messages and insulting everything I say. Some members involved (Izanagi) have lied about me to other staff about me abusing powers and have avoided bringing it up when I addressed it. This was obviously an attempt to get me demoted or punished for something I didn't do. Members should not be doing this to others. (Other staff members present can vouch this happened) I would post a harmless message in the chatbox responding to someone or ShackNewsBot and some of the members would take that opportunity to attack me. While they may claim its their opinion or a joke there is no need for posting constant messages and replies which upset and harass me. I tried to improve my relations to the clan by starting using my mic, Which is highly recommended for staff to communicate on the server over text. I did a test recording responding to my ice bucket challenge, my response was degrading and upsetting by being referred to by a few members as "a 40 year old with a voice changer" Kendrick Llama proceeded to humiliate me further by adding a picture to the photoshop thread of a man with ache to the body of a little girl and said it was "kitty in real life" Whilst on the server Trade Gaming History Muzzle joined and said "Kitty may I ask you a serious question?" (the video attached is what happened next) He then asked if I had a deformity because of my voice (even though I have said many times my mic is bad and has terrible feedback) They are intent on using my own attempt to bond with the clan as a tool to abuse me with. Another staff member Bach present when Muzzle said this did nothing to help. When it was quite clearly offensive. Below are some reasons directed at members involved and their unacceptable actions. Forge: constantly calling me a bad mod, quotes almost everything I say with offensive and sarcastic messages, In game would constantly comment if I miss a shot or die, has written lies about me on servers "Kitty said you have no friends" Something I have never said. (see pictures attached) Also has spoken on servers badly about me to others while I am offline. Forge even proceeded to create a thread to humiliate me called "dumbest quotes of the year!" with which he added a quote I wrote while in an argument with somebody else, the statement was not serious and was said during an argument in which I was angry. To use something like that to humiliate someone is uncalled for. (see links) His last offensive act which I managed to get evidence of was a post he wrote in which he verbally attacked me for no reason at all, no provocation came from me beforehand, The offensive message was quickly removed but I managed to get the evidence. (see the attached image) Izanagi: constantly quotes me with offensive statements, rates my posts negative for no reason, abuses me in the shoutbox and in post comments section regularly and most recently photo shopped a picture of a man with acne on a little girls body and said "Kitty in real life" (see attached picture) Also forced muzzle to invite me to a server in which he has admin powers on just so he can instantly kick me with a message (see attachment) The only members on this server were forge, izanagi and muzzle. So I knew they only invited me to abuse me. Muzzle: Has been rude to me in game asking if I have a deformity, as well as commenting offensively in the shoutbox and in post comment sections quite oftan. (see attachments) KendrickLlama: quoted my vocal recording calling me a man and changed his status to Forge = kitty, saying I am forge and arguing with myself. His status has now changed but the offence he caused has made me regret using my mic and has hurt my confidence with using it to aid my staff duty on servers as well as general conversation. Also has been rating all my posts are "downs" (see attachments) Starmix: Quite recently Starmix got himself involved with this hatred of me. He has been rudely commenting on my posts and just taking part in the abuse others cause. Calling me a bad mod and even using examples I used in a thread discussing a server problem as a tool to attack me with. Moosty: Moosty previously was involved in a petty argument with me over nothing but we both apologised for our part in that and I thought everything was calm and friendly with Moosty again. That was until he took the time to search for images, cut out and edit a picture to insult and humiliate me. This picture was not a 10 minutes job, he put time in to it. He did not apologise until Vector spoke to him and then had to remind him 1 day later about his apology for the unacceptable image. I accepted the apology but I felt it to be forced, fake and not genuine. I thought this even more when on my last thread posted about the AFK timer on Trade Gaming History, Moosty proceeded to quote me and bring up my activity on the server I suggested, There was no need for this and It was just proof Moosty is still involved and unable to act mature. I am not in this clan for enemies. I am always friendly and helpful to others. The actions of these members involved serves no purpose in this clan. I have had friends considering joining but have seen the maturity and hate of each others seen daily. Jokes can be jokes but in this case it's not a joke, I don't believe it ever was a joke. The only cause for this hatred I can think of is a jealously of my position as a moderator or my life which I am aware has been disliked by those involved for whatever reason. I urge the CLs to take immediate action against this. Bullying and harassment is not acceptable in any community. It has become so bad I don't like coming here any more and that is not good for somebody who has been active everyday on the forums even after being declined once for age. I like this clan, I like taking part in conversations and playing the servers. But I don't like constant abuse, bullying, spite and dislike of me and everything I do for myself or the clan. Tags: @Rhododendron @Nomulous @kbraszzz @Muzzle @FoRgE @Izanagi @KendrickLlama @StarmiX @Moosty @Vector @BonfireCentipede @Kypari @Tekage @Others Steam ID's Muzzle: STEAM_0:1:29181801 Forge: STEAM_0:0:8630844 Izanagi: STEAM_0:1:41600452 Kendrick: STEAM_0:1:68824731 Starmix: STEAM_0:0:58085242 Moosty: STEAM_0:1:63865975 Evidence: Shoutbox: [MEDIA=imgur]PC5Kgnr[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=imgur]CAZ7zj8[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=imgur]4OSieZC[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=imgur]4eYSPOL[/MEDIA] http://i.imgur.com/ilht23b.png http://i.imgur.com/ZaVLnS0.png http://i.imgur.com/ym6ZcM1.png Chat with Forge: http://i.imgur.com/Qyc1Z4h.png http://i.imgur.com/uPf3Ui1.png http://i.imgur.com/CGSGfzl.png Forge JB1 Chatlogs: http://i.imgur.com/Vjm6et3.png http://i.imgur.com/GjV88qE.png http://i.imgur.com/qyV1ChO.png Forge TS Description: http://i.imgur.com/ZniquMm.jpg Izanagi and Forge comments: http://i.imgur.com/rZn8B7f.png http://i.imgur.com/LPaKa5y.png Izanagi Post With Image: http://i.imgur.com/6svuBs7.png Kendrick Quote Of My Recording: http://i.imgur.com/1OA3Odb.png Kendrick Ratings: http://i.imgur.com/1vL8uKO.png Izanagi Kick Abuse: http://i.imgur.com/JDU6HtO.jpg Moosty Shoutbox: http://i.imgur.com/7giGCF1.png Image Moosty made: http://i.imgur.com/FQ95KWu.jpg Starmix Comment: http://i.imgur.com/yCIajL3.png Forge Post: http://i.imgur.com/7YbgHvV.png Links: Further Examples of posts and comments from my most recent thread: More Time Idleing Before Being Kicked On Trade Servers. | Xeno Gamers Thread made by Forge to humiliate and offend me: Dumbest Quotes Of The Year! | Xeno Gamers Video: Muzzle being offensive to me in game. He joined and said "Kitty can i ask you a serious question?" to which I replied "yes" and started to record. He proceeds insult me. Another Admin Bach who was present at the time did nothing to stop the abuse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgtyZAvMpM Chat between Kypari and Forge (Only copy paste, Kypari did not provide screenshot but will vouch): xG| FoRgE: Lel umad? xG:Donator | Kypari: No, I just think that you went too far on insults xG:Donator | Kypari: I have nothing against you, but that was really bad xG:Donator | Kypari: .-. xG| FoRgE: Far from it xG| FoRgE: I would have called her a greasy ass boasting cunt xG:Donator | Kypari: .-. xG| FoRgE: I have limits, that was far from too far. xG:Donator | Kypari: But everyone on TGH, including Kendrick, Moosty and Cold Endeavour thingy thinks that it was uncalled for, and he doesn't even know you that well at all xG:Donator | Kypari: ,-, xG| FoRgE: So calling someone fat is worse than being called retarded or dumb as fuck? xG:Donator | Kypari: Well a girl, yeah xG| FoRgE: Lol xG| FoRgE: So now i have to a polite little boy even when she calls people worse, ohmy! xG| FoRgE: You might as well give her crits, noclip and vectors powers and fuckim say, go kill everyone for aslong as you want xG:Donator | Kypari: Look, seriously, I don't want hate from you, or to give you hate either xG| FoRgE: I was stating my opinion Kypari xG:Donator | Kypari: All I'm saying is that it wasn't right to say something like that xG| FoRgE: I only offend people if i have a reason xG| FoRgE: It wasnt right to give her mod. xG| FoRgE: End of story, you kids need to stop bitching. xG:Donator | Kypari: Sorry man, but I think you need to calm down with Kitty xG| FoRgE: No. xG| FoRgE: I'd rather tell everyone what i think that talk behind her back. xG:Donator | Kypari: This whole thread was about the bunny, not about yours and kitty's grudge xG| FoRgE: Never said it was xG| FoRgE: If you actually tried reading my message you'd know. xG:Donator | Kypari: I know, but you included insults xG:Donator | Kypari: Like xG:Donator | Kypari: Ones that you shouldnt say to girls xG| FoRgE: Kypari xG:Donator | Kypari: Yeah? xG:Donator | Kypari: Don't forget, she's still 14. xG| FoRgE: I dont think you realise that girls arent suddenly the prized gender. xG:Donator | Kypari: ? xG:Donator | Kypari: The problem is, some girls can be insecure, and that can be caused by insults regarding their looks. xG| FoRgE: She signed up for hate when she came to the internet. xG| FoRgE: You think i care? xG| FoRgE: Thats their problem. xG:Donator | Kypari: That's really insensitive. xG| FoRgE: I dont whine when people judge my appearance. xG:Donator | Kypari: But you're not a girl xG| FoRgE: I dont carem xG| FoRgE: Shes a hypocrital asshole. xG| FoRgE: If shes going to offend my friends, she gets what she deserves. xG:Donator | Kypari: I know she's hypocritical, but hasn't everyone at least once in their lives? xG:Donator | Kypari: And she called them "Idiots" xG| FoRgE: Not talking about that. xG:Donator | Kypari: Go on xG:Donator | Kypari: What did she say? xG| FoRgE: Its none of your concern. xG| FoRgE: Since it has nothing to do with you xG:Donator | Kypari: Then there's no point telling me xG:Donator | Kypari: About what she deserves xG| FoRgE: Why are you eve sticking up for her. xG| FoRgE: Even* xG:Donator | Kypari: Because you said something really bad in our generation of young teenagers xG:Donator | Kypari: I totally understand, I'm 14, like her xG| FoRgE: I've had worse xG:Donator | Kypari: Don't give me your sob story xG| FoRgE: Something no one should experience xG| FoRgE: Lol xG| FoRgE: Sob story, yea ok xG:Donator | Kypari: Look man, I know you've probably had it rough, but right now, I really don't want to know xG| FoRgE: Then dont suck up to her. xG:Donator | Kypari: Why not? xG| FoRgE: Because it makes you look like a ass kisser. xG:Donator | Kypari: Lol xG:Donator | Kypari: You really think I care? xG| FoRgE: Then dont talk to me xG:Donator | Kypari: Then why msg me? xG| FoRgE: Be her little boyfriend who will protect her from harm xG:Donator | Kypari: I'm not her boyfriend, I dont even know her irl xG:Donator | Kypari: .-. xG| FoRgE: :|

I would like to give @DrLee, @Hidingmaster, @ThePenguin @diabeetus for conversations, as this issue it too big out for me to deal with this solely. During their investigation, I would like to be included in the conversations, as me running the TF2 divisons and deciding moderators and promos will cause bias towards my decisions.

A some portion of this can be passed off as 'joking around,' for example the ratings. But, other things such as photo-shopping pictures, harassing her, and claiming said photos as her is another thing. Especially when you know she feels uncomfortable about these kind of things. You may have your little disagreements, but as either staff members or mere members of the same clan - get along. If you can't do that, just realize that we're a community trying to prosper and grow. Berating your own fellow clan members isn't helping anyone other than you possibly getting a laugh out of it. If you two must not speak to each other, fine, so be it. I realize Kitty may have done things also, but honestly. Any personal problems with Kitty being a moderator should be - and will be - dealt with the division's DM/DL. (So, attempt to keep this thread on topic) Soon, I will post my full opinion on this subject later. I'll speak to @Nomulous and anyone else later if they need my opinion on it.

I want to know why everyone hates/dislikes Kitty?

I'm not really involved in this, but I just want to say that I hope this gets better for you, Kitty.

I as well will look over all the evidence in a while (gotta get home first). Also for all those involved, making smart arse comments in this thread definitely doesn't help and will get you banned.

No offense Muzzle, but people shutting the fuck up when they should have spoken out is exactly what led to this problem in the first place. This is a time for discussion, not silence.

Instead of writing a big massive essay on what the evidence shows about everyone, I'm just gonna keep this short and sweet. Forge, Izangi, Muzzle, Starmix, Kendrick and Moosty: You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Cyber-Bullying like that? That is not welcome in any kind of gaming environment.

>Tells members not to post on a thread based on a server they don't play. >Posts on a Jailbreak related thread. #Hypocrit #JustKittyliciousThings

From the words of the wise @Slinkerton : that whole thread is just the perfect example of the bond of the Tf2 Div

great idea kitty :waving:

not gonna post much here, but for the record, I apologized, and did so directly to kitty, without being prompted or asked too. transcript of apology is here. [xG:M] Moosty: just so you know vector had to remind me a day later because i felt like crap and went to bed early. I apologized for the picture and was genuine when i did. it would have been more effective coming from you though, its hard to respect people who dont fight their own battles. i've tried to help you be a better mod but you arent very open to advice. i'm sorry for offending you, and i've already apologized for the picture. i just wont interfere with you now. i won't try to help you, or be rude, or make jokes from now on. but that doesnt mean i enjoy playing with you. i honestly dont think you're the kind of person i would enjoy being around in real life, so i wont interact with you online either. i'm sorry you felt so strongly that it had to come to this, but honestly, if you would have came to me directly, it would never have been an issue in the first place. i'm sorry for what i did. the picture was dumb. and I was being immature when i made it. i just wont try to be friends or enemy's with you anymore, as i have no desire to get to know you further. i guess this is goodbye then. once again, sorry it went so far I apologized, the apology was genuine. and i did it of my own accord. do with that what you will.

So far I do believe Kitty is correct on the subject This NEEDS to stop, but i don't know what should be done.

no really why is @StarmiX part of this.

On another note, I have been aware of my rude behavior, Bach and Kbraszzle both told me about it and through this week I have improved, they can confirm on this. @kbraszzz @TwoZeroFour

Oh boy, here we go.

K.

...Gotta admire the work put into this though.

maybe i would apologize to you directly if you talked to me instead of telling vector to talk to me. fight your own battles and you will get so much more respect.

@BelloWaldi i swear to christ boy

You guys are making the counter strike division look good. It's pathetic looking at this thread, This is going to be closed before you all make bigger fools of yourselves. -Closed

>trying to find middle ground and still shot fired

how about you - Stop posting on a discussion for a server you never play.

I like how you used "I" 8 times on a server problem. Anyways, let's check out your plans Plan 1 - Let the staff have immunity to the kick. So basically, staff > everyone else on the server. Plan 2 - Increase the idle time so I we can idle longer. So we can get more afks people to take up useless space? How about this plan - Stop bitching and deal with it.

how is it a terrible idea if we want it back the old ways/just like pokemon?

@MuffinMonster @Barmithian This is TF2 we are talking about. There aren't many smart players.

+1 A:6 M:6 Has proven he can be forgiven and be a good member.

Being the one that kicks a lot of people for AFK/Idle, I say no. If the server is populated to the max, why should some one who sits in AFK/Idle be allowed to do so while someone waits to get on? It's kind of a disadvantage to people who want to be on to the one who just sits there and does nothing. -1

no

@ASock

No, we need time for discussion, and @silence fuck it doesn't work

To everyone, please read the my edit on the first post before writing a reply. There will be no tolerance for this.

What i am interested in is that I wasn't called out by any members for interactivity due to that fact I can't say much to this since i been inactive, but the comments sent to kitty are quite rude and disrespectful and if I recall thats a rule of most are servers

EH... WELL Shit.

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See him on hale and stuff and is mature from what i can see.+1 A: 7/10 M:7/10

I mean it's not really a big deal but if we all really want it then sure. On another note though I have no clue why it should be a staff priveledge to not be kicked for afk. If we are going to have it it should be for everyone

This whole thread. Take that in whatever way you find fit.

+1, why is everyone so harsh? on gaming history it's different, the timer is much shorter and we just get kicked when i go to the bathroom or take my dogs out. it's not that big of a problem, but i mean people go AFK for a moment and get kicked. the lower time would be better in Pokemon because that server is more full then gaming history.

@Voly You are no fucking help. All you have done is bash HidingMaster. It's people like you who bring down the vibe of this clan. Don't say shit like you're being constructive. You are down right bashing him. You claim you're not talking shit but in reality, you are. Saying shit like he's wasting his time and it's never going to work and he should just give up. The only thing you have going for you is being right about people having dedication and losing it instantly. We (as in a couple of people) are trying to revive CS:S and we don't want assholes like you killing our mood. Don't be fucking saying you're not bashing. You're disrespectful and rude.

Why is everyone bashing on hiding he is trying to help the community and all of you are being so negative like it affects you or something. You're not paying for the servers so leave it alone. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should get closed down. There are other people who are so happy that CSS isn't closing down. Think about other people too, not just yourself.

Assuming makes you look really bad. First off I check the forums at least once a day, and have for the last several years. Just because I don't post doesn't mean i dont get on, I post when I see something that requires attention. If you really care that much go ahead and sit on the forums all day and see when I am online. I get on when I wake up, get on the train, get home, and generally right before I go to bed. Its a bunch of bullshit to call me out for something you have no idea about. And i'm on steam nearly every day answering people's questions and chatting with css members. When I look to join a css server its empty, not something I can really help. I know I can sit in there and wait for people, but I have don't have patience to be waiting in a lobby for an hour for people to get on. When the server is populated, I hop on right away. Just because im not visible to you doesn't mean im not here. You were all for the transition of CS:S to CS:GO and now we decide to make CS:S work and all of a sudden you become critical and upset about one thing not getting done on the exact date? Wow. Stop trying to start something and make this a bigger deal than it should be. I went out of my way to do something for the community and all you are doing is trying to shut it down, thanks a lot.