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Alright so this was something brought up a handful of times already, with not a lot being done about it. Welcome to the wacky world of discussion of... Leadership. Follow me on a journey through time and space, where we will first stop off at the solution, and then follow it up with the reasons that I deem a change necessary. Solution The current setup of xG leadership is as follows: Community Leaders: Silence, Nomulous, Hidingmaster (me), Dr. Lee, Diabeetus Division Leaders: Tf2, CS:GO, Minecraft... Division Managers: You know. Administrators: You know. Moderators: Yeah, you know. Members: Love you plebs. It works, for the most part, but there are some very easy changes that can really help make the community a lot more easier to.. lets say.. navigate. Essentially go back to what we had before: Leader: Mr. Rhodosilencdendron Co Leaders: 2 trusted members of xG DL DM Administrator Mods Members The nomulous, who is like a leader, but more for the technical side of things. What does this accomplish/help improve on? Well, I want you first to question (those who aren't CLs) who you would turn to when you had a question that required an authoritative figure to answer. Right now I bet a lot of you would turn to a variety of people, from DL's to a CL (but not all im sure), to even a DM. There is not one person people can turn to to get an answer that is definitive, its a lot of "I think this is the right answer". With having 2 trusted Co-leaders, it becomes much clearer who people can ask for answers that need a solid and definitive answer. DLs and DMs alike would be able to turn to one person to get an answer, not an entire committee. Co Leaders would be of equal power, almost acting independently. If CoLeader gives an answer to a question, than the community can trust that is what will be followed. I know people will think that gives them too much power, but remember a few things. It worked very well in the past, the second Coleader can be brought into the discussion and have a joint decision, and this is not for the MOST important topics, but those that can/need to be solved in a timely manner. Silence of course will retain complete veto and his word is final in 99% of the cases. So why? 1) People need someone they can turn to that they can trust, that will answer quickly, and that they know are giving an answer that will not inflict punishment against the person asking. 2) The current setup leads to a lot of issues going unresolved, or at least going unresolved for a unacceptable amount of time. 3) Having 4 CLs leads to way too much confusion. People are getting unbanned who shouldnt, bans changed when they shouldn't be. 4) There is absolutely no discussion between community leaders. When first founded by Forest, community leaders were meant to work together. As a group we came up with rules to help govern how decisions would be made. Every CL would be included, a 3/5ths vote required for the most important issues, and promo demo would be approved by all CLs before being published. This is where the issue lies. Observe the following: April 26th: July 23rd: July 30th: August 9th (This monday): The first three were located in threads that both Dr. Lee and Diabeetus viewed, the last picture is of a conversation sent to both of them with no response as of yet. Hopefully y'all now understand why it takes so long for answers to come from Community Leaders, why there are conflicting responses, and why things never get wrapped up. I'm not here to berate anyone, as I have been negligent in answers occasionally, but when you have a person in leadership who gets ignored by the others you can't expect a system to work efficiently; thus I propose a change to a smaller group where the Co-Leaders have more power to help solve issues. [uSERGROUP=23]@Community Leader[/uSERGROUP] [uSERGROUP=5]@Division Leader[/uSERGROUP] [uSERGROUP=29]@Division Manager[/uSERGROUP]

Of our 23 active servers (not counting FoF, isn't official yet), 14 are from tf2, 7 from Nuclear Dawn, 1 from CS:S (active is a strong term), 1 from CS:GO. The leadership structure doesn't match this whatsoever. So, two burning questions off the bat. Why the hell isn't @Stickz a CL or some kind of way higher up? Guy does his job better than anyone else here, any div. Why the hell isn't @kbraszzz a CL? People complain that it's hard to handle tf2 drama, this guy is somehow immune from all of it. Plus he's the most trustworthy tf2 member by anyone's standards. If they don't want to that's fine, but have they even been offered the position? Secondly, I realize that CS:S JB was amazing, and started xG. But times have changed. This isn't a counter strike clan anymore. Why are all the higher ups from the smallest division? It honestly makes zero sense. Most of you know I'm a Disability Rights policy activist (who am I kidding you all think I'm a lazy stoner), in the disability community we have a phrase that applies here just as well as it does in society, "Nothing about us, without us". This means that if discussions are taking place that affect disabled people, then Disabled people need to have a seat at the table. The policy that comes out when the people that are effected by the policy had a hand in making it, is immeasurably more affective at helping the people it aims to help, because they advocate from personal experience. Tf2 needs to be more well represented in the higher ups of the clan. We make the lion's share of the revenue, we have the most members, and most of the issues with tf2 members could have been resolved much better if the people calling the shots actually knew the tf2 division and the members. Alot of people are saying tf2 doesn't have enough mature members. Haven't even seen those people checking out the servers or meeting members. Yeah there is a whole lot of immaturity in tf2. I'm sure though, that if I was on the forums during css jb's peak, I'd have a similar reaction to what they were like on forums. When there are more people, there's more problems. I'm sure that's a concept you guys understand well. Dismissing tf2 as immature when you aren't even making an effort to know the div or the members, is equally immature. That's about it for this post I already wrote an essay. Lazy stoner out.

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Yep thats right we are being induce tomorrow!! So he is going to be otherwise occupied for a few days. Sorry guys, I'm going to steal him for a while.

He's not wrong... that or block people.

And then there's still the fact that there's a certain channel (*cough* bigga's *cough*) STILL missing after years from deletion from a non-channel owner. But realsies, I dunno what to say. There's not enough communication with the CLs, and the fact that the number of them is dropping is not helping. I do not agree with too many higher up powers since it would be difficult to pick them out unless they're all from TF2, but we all know 95% of TF2 is too immature to even handle mod, and the higher up staff of CS:GO don't even trust most with (official) mod since it's been newly released. Silence won't be of much help since he's on basically once a week now. stillnohub

Not sure why we would let silence choose them, saying he doesn't deal with them on a daily business. It should be left for the members to decide.

When I said server related issues I meant ban protests and member protests too. Someone from tf2 can get in trouble for something related to tf2, yet somehow it always ends up with the community leaders and not the DLs or DMs. They should only be involved in cases where it effects the whole clan, or a case where the DLs and DMs can not come to a conclusion. And yes, a lot of things I said are things the CLs should be doing, but most of them don't seem like they're being done.

Community Leaders in a nut shell. My suggestion would be to set this in stone somewhere, that way Members will know who to consult for whatever problem(s) they are facing. I'll admit to dropping the ball on that during the initial setup of the Community Leader rank since I only gave a very vague and brief description of their duties. It was the intention of Serb and I to create a committee based on the duties of Co-Leaders, but with a narrowed specific focus on community. This is why they were stripped of their powers ingame. If the problem here is one of trust, then the easiest alternative would involve the community itself to elect Members to the aforementioned position of power. Though the trouble here is that it would require an actual effort; people electing someone and giving valid reasoning to back them up. Something of which seems to dwindle more and more each day (look at Member Submissions. That's right, I'm bringing this up again). Once that has happened, it'll be the responsibility of someone (cough Silence. Lets face it, the guy owns XenoGamers. Of course he ought to be the one to pick.) to hand pick those who has been deemed.. Worthy, for a lack of better words. I'd love to bring up more on the subject by giving my very own TL;DR post, but I'm currently at work so this will have to do. I may post again with more detail later in the day.

+1 scottish takeover is unstoppable M:8 A:8

#KbraszzzforCo #onlyifhewantsto

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You expect me to read all that shit?

To be honest, I think we should just do a hard reset on ranks and go back to how it was before the Community Leader rank was introduced. If I could choose anyone to take up the post, it would either be Chrono, Forest or Aegean. Unfortunately that probably won't happen as Chrono has been too inactive recently, Forest probably wouldn't accept the offer (polite canadian bastard), and Aegean isn't even in the clan and I doubt whether or not Silence would even let him anywhere near the position. Personally, I would say just stick to the old system and have one Co-Leader. Having multiple Co-Leaders (especially if you're going to prop them up as "representatives" from a specific division) will only serve to divide the clan even further across divisional lines. Whoever takes up the position has to abandon their former division (if we're going with the original level of powers that the Co-Leader had, this person still would have powers) and realize that they're serving a broader purpose. If you want someone with a high level of forum and server powers but also serves the interests of a specific division, you've essentially just described the rank of Division Leader. If the clan decides to have what essentially boils down to a Division Leader with slightly more powers and several added responsibilities, then so be it. Keep in mind that doing so will cause rifts in the future as divisions change in size. At the bare minimum, the change eliminating the leader rank should be reverted. Since that change was made there have been serious issues with chain of command and has resulted in a fair amount of confusion on the responsibilities of the Community Leader.

+1 Don't want to hear about toxicity.

+1, but it should be 3 CoLeaders, rather than 2, that way there can be a tie breaker. And, if there is ever a case where one co leader is "acting up" the other two can vote him off, rather than it being one others choice(or silences, but I don't even think he's active anymore). Another thing, when xG had co leaders, they were given powers on all servers higher than that of DLs. They should have no server powers, this way they can focus on the community, not administrating a server. But I do think they should have teamspeak powers above everyone else.Co Leaders shouldn't be able to decide who gets promoted or demoted, but should look over the list, to make sure there are no bias or unfair changes in rank. Co Leaders also shouldn't be forced to be active in all divisions(but it should be highly encouraged, especially for community nights, division re-openings/startups, etc.). If you take a Co Leader who hates tf2 and tell him he has to be active on it, he won't take it seriously anyway. When we had co leaders, they never had to be active on the servers, and it worked fine. Server related issues should be solved by the DLs and DMs. CoLeaders SHOULD be somewhat active on teamspeak though, so that they can be contacted easier xG was functioning way better when we had Co Leaders(It worked for years). I honestly think Community Leaders were made to make things look more democratic(which in the end didn't work anyway since in 99% of the threads I see it's only the CLs that have the final say in anything, rather than the community). Also, for CoLeader I nominate @Forest (I'm being serious), @Hidingmaster , and maybe @Nomulous (not sure of his forum/TS activity, but he's all I could think of as a third CoLeader). (EDIT: Maybe even @Chrono but I thought I saw a post somewhere saying he was inactive) Of course, I'm sure it would be silences decision, but they just seem to be the best fit.

My concern is that you essentially are making community leaders just the leaders of the DLs. People need to put trust in DLs to make decisions that are relevant to their division with nobody else stepping over them. 2 Co leaders would have no problem doing promo demo + taking care of clan concerns. If DLs are allowed to... lead their division... there really isn't much more to do other than have someone to help make decisions regarding tough situations and promo demo.

+1 week or month either is fine the BM is over the top. Waiting on the other tf2 higher ups.

Das coolio. 9000/10

OK, the system is not what is inefficient, it is the people in power. Most clearly did not know there role that much and they take forever to respond to stuff or look into stuff. The system just needs to be reworked and made clearer and have 5 people who are unbiased, represent the active divisions, and is respected by the members. Basically wipe the cls as they are with Silence going back to leader, nom goes back to co. Maybe need another co-leader or 2. Then have 5 CLs handpicked by silence to carry out the duties which are clearly given to them. Give them the respective powers needed to moderate teamspeak and forums fully. Hiding is really my only pick for the second or third co-leader or if no co-leaders then to stay CL. Also the fact that CLs claim valid evidence cherry picking because I said one of there friends was in the wrong is complete bs. Another reason to wipe cls. Another thing is that cl number should be 5. 3 tf2 and 2 cs since tf2 holds majority of active servers and cs was just revived

+1 Good follow up with the last thread. The aimbot thing was REAL wishy-washy, but we definitely need to take an action against his mannerisms. A month seems sufficient.

+1 for a month ban. I wanted him unbanned because a perm for an aimbot we weren't even sure of seemed unfair. The BM that happened with this guy is actually stupid. Give him a month ban, and this will be his last warning. <3

for 3d Animation you can use SFM (source film maker) witch is free and is good if you want to use tf2 maps for backgrounds but getting custom models into it can be a bit of a pain but most of the tutorials of steam are pretty good for new users if you dont want you use sfm you can use MMD (MikuMikuDance) witch is also free and good for physics but it was made in japan so most of the tutorials are in Japaneses if you want to do 2d animation you can use adobe flash witch you need to pay for and it is very hard to use if you want a free 2d animation program there is Pencil 2D i have never used it but it look parity good its a lot like flash or you can use Synfig Studio with is the same as in i have not used it so i cant comment on it

Division: Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name: Kiroshi-chan Steam ID: DONT SHARE YOUR IP (Dethman Edit) Banned: No Previously in xG: No Active on Teamspeak: Yes Time Active: 108 hours Age: 16

^ Srsly ^

If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument would you invoke to prove they should value logic? What you choose to take out of context from a long time ago to make a case against me far exceeds my reasoning skills. I don't roll over for whiny kids and I don't walk on eggshells to embrace delusion. I do fire back at disrespect and BMing. I have no regrets. I will rest in peace knowing I have completed my mission. ~best wishes, take care