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I don't think this thread was made for insulting each other, it was made to criticize people, in a helpful manner like "Hey, work on this.... Try acting like this...", not "UR SUCH A FAG LEWL I H8 U I HOPE U DIE HEHEHEHHUH UHHUEHHEHE"

When I'm not in tf2....I draw tf2. So why not show a few of my sloppy WIPs I did a while ago and never bothered to finish

I'm pretty sure the reserve shooter is bannnneeeed <3

This is turning less and less into a criticism thread, and more and more into a shit slinging thread. Can we keep it on topic, instead of slinging insults?

well, this IS rabid, so...

Sudoku is the proper spelling of the popular japanese puzzle game. sedoku is not a world in any language. Seppuku is the ancient samurai tradition of slicing ones stomach open and removing your own guts. On the internet, Sudoku is someone telling you to commit seppuku while also mocking you by calling you stupid by spelling it differently.

Division: Forum In-Game Name: Asock Offender's Steam ID: Irrelevant Rules Broken: Harassment, bullying, trolling Evidence: So, I've decided to make a ban request on Asock (as if that isn't obvious already). Why? Because ever since I joined this clan, he just lurked the forums and trolled. This resulted in: Shitstorms, harrassment and just plain trolling. This would be a great clan without him, in my opinion. Many would agree. Recently, in the Criticism Thread, Asock verbally assaulted me and @Kypari. Telling us to kill ourselves, picking out small mistakes and using it against us, insulting us and more. He has been in trouble several times before. What would happen if he were banned? xG would be a perfect community with happier people. I personally believe that this is unacceptable and behaviour like this has been coming from him for too long. There has been many shitstorms or events where similar actions have occurred from him. And before you say something like: "The Criticism Thread was made so everyone could insult each other, grow the fuck up", remember a key quote that @Forest said:

It should be one all together. You've caused enough harm to this clan that it's not even funny.

The prize is a curved sword. I'LL SEE MYSELF OUT.

TOMAHAAWKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

All y'all who don't have the mental capacity to give constructive criticism in this thread, gtfo. [uSERGROUP=23]@Community Leader[/uSERGROUP] requesting that all content that is not helpful (by way of feedback and/or constructive criticism) be removed. This includes any past content as well as any content posted in the future. Honestly, if you can't wrap your head around the following concepts, then you have no business in this thread and should do everyone the favour of not even posting (this applies to everyone in general). With that said, because of the nature of this thread, I would also like that any content within this thread not be used maliciously against anyone. This means for Ban Requests, Member Protests, etc. Reason being that most of the content in this thread is based on opinion and criticism, and therefore makes it an inadequate source of incriminating evidence, and should thereby not be used against anyone.

@Kypari Please continue to bring up issues totally unrelated to Rabid's "Trolling and Disrepect." I'm sure that it'll help your case. Until then, please keep using logical fallicies to help "prove your argument." This is exactly what is wrong with the TF2 division. Too many children acting higher up than they are. You're nothing more than a moderator, and a horrible one at that. You're not division leader or manager, hell not even an admin. Get over yourself kid. I still don't even know who you are besides some retarded 14 year old who gets angry at what somebody said to him on the internet.

+1, is kinda a douche

Anyways let's get this sh*t rolling. @diabeetus @DrLee @ThePenguin @Chrono @Hidingmaster @Nomulous @Rhododendron @Forest To be quite blunt, /requestclose until cl's decide on a final decision, Threads going no where besides my defending my self. and random "small fights" here and there.

Question @Tekage is this for team speak ban, or directed towards a forum ban? I wouldn't want to be banned from gaming with my pals on the fields of justice!

First off i'd like to thank @Bleed for interrupting me while i was jerking my d*ck to some porno...

:british: British.

Wishingggggggg thatttttttttt ii coulddddddddd joinnnnnn

PYROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

K I have steam back and all that jazz... Hi

Sloppy? I say not. only for the reason that they look way better than mine ;-;

Because of last season's team coordination, your co-leader votes for moving down to iron, Moosty. It's a good starting place, and I say once we go at LEAST 4-4, we can consider going to steel. You know I will play medic either way, but I would definitely think iron is a good move.

Added your little shadows Minus Plus

Yeahh. @Kypari Went off at me because he said I was turning into kbrazzle and ignoring him when he wanted me to perm someone. However, I didn't see enough proof to show that it required a perma. I think we all need to tone down the constant hostility. I dunno about you guys, but it's tiring being in tense environments 24/7. We're a community. Saying that we are on the Internet and that this is supposed to happen is a stupid excuse! Still on meds; fuck your shit @ChickenPanda send help

The sole point of this thread is to get things off of our chests. The only thing holding you back is the poor excuse of someone getting "salty." Do it while you can. edit: fixed spelling errors

Teenagers (or rather those under 15) getting moderator was one of the worst decisions. The only way I have ever gotten their attention in TF2 servers was actively saying furries were mentally damaged and needed therapy, or that British people need to be wiped off of the face of the earth. The TF2 division is full of kiddies who censor you if you want to make a joke, no matter if it's in poor taste, or get butthurt too easily if they're the butt end of the joke. The Leader doesn't care about the quality of the players, so as long as you give him money or watch his ads. The kiddies themselves are entitled, 14 years old, complaining about ever little detail. I got threatened with a permaban the other day for dominating a member, going into friendly and taunting them. The Co-Leaders do nothing about complaints and instead post these bullshit threads every few months, saying "We need to talk", then never acting on it. One of the Co-Leaders is even VAC banned and he's still in. And you dare ask "Why is the clan so bad lately?" Find your rectum and remove your head immediately You have nobody but yourselves to blame. You let in the trolls, the crybabies and the mentally challenged drama queens, and as soon as they do something major, you ask "Why is the clan so bad?" Take a good hard look at yourselves, and maybe you'll find the answer. Until then, stop complaining you dumbasses.

Before I go on with this thread, let me assure you that the title has no reference to the "toxicity reform" that was posted yesterday (it is in relation to it, but not directly affiliated with it). I would also like to say ahead of time that this will be yet another rant that will most likely run quite a lengthy page. In fact, just looking back, it is one hell of a read. WARNING: This is an extremely long passage that may not interest many. It is in regards to "toxicity" or other forms of "harassment". I ask that if you will not read the whole passage, skip to the bottom bolded text. So. I couldn't help but notice this on-going "problem" of toxicity within xG. Seems to me that people are getting the idea that it's something that can simply be monitored and thereby eliminated easily. I'd just like to say that to accomplish a feat like that is ludicrous in its own right. To say "we're going to put a stop to toxicity" would be like saying "we're going to put a stop to [for example] Christianity." What I mean is that toxic or salty behaviour isn't something that can be suppressed over night, in a week, hell, in a year. It's like trying to suppress or eliminate an idea, or something else that is intangible. It just can't be done without re-writing everything and starting from the beginning. The fact of the matter is that once the toxicity has spread, it has been spread. There is no stopping it, xG is already permeating with it. Now I can see how this in itself looks terrible, and I can see why anyone in their right mind would want to stop it, but to throw down a law that tries to "eliminate" it is physically impossible. What constitutes toxicity? Is it when I say "fuck you, no one loves you", or is it the simple matter of commenting "scrub" on someone's post? The shit is immeasurable. At this point in time, the line between disliking someone to the point of trying to get them banned and actually banning those who rightfully deserve it has been spread so thin that there is no clear distinction anymore, it's all grey. I can get why there is this sudden desire to want to weed out the "bad eggs" in xG, but I honestly don't think this is the proper way to do it. Laying down sanctions will only result in a stronger segregation among Members and will ultimately deliver even more reports of "toxicity", and I'm talking about any sort of "harassment" or "instigations". For Christ's sake, this is the internet. We're a gaming community that has over 10,000 Members with someone new making a new account almost every day. The internet isn't a pretty place, we're all maskless figures that can say or project whatever we want without fear of prosecution or judgement. The fact is, it is a shitty, toxic, salty, hateful online world. We all [should] know the risks of getting involved in an online community, we all [should] know there will be plenty of sarcasm, trolls, people whose sole purpose is to see the world burn. Now, I'm not saying that everyone should just take a chill pill and ignore everything, that would just be irresponsible. All I'm saying is this: Moderation. Whether that be in monitoring behaviour to prevent shit storms, or whether it be tolerating a certain amount of bullshit. By the end of the day, we will have all been subjected to (or have witnessed) some form of "online hate", and I'll bet that 90% of that hate can't even be recalled. You know why? Because chances are, you weren't bothered enough for it to have any sort of ill-effect on you. If that's the case, why are the forums any different? Someone rated your post "Boring"? Who the hell cares, it's their opinion. Someone commented on your post saying that you're stupid for having that opinion? Tough shit, because chances are that person has expressed an opinion that someone else had thought the same thing. Opinions, anything and everything said by someone is merely an opinion. It isn't a state of fact. The choice is yours to react to what someone says about you or what they say about your opinion. This is one of the many commonly misunderstood things that goes on in the online world. An opinion is not toxicity. Nor is it grounds for a punishment. If you see acts of verbal abuse between two people, would you label them as being "toxic" to each other? The answer is no. They're having conflicting interests and opinions. They are arguing. The appropriate course of action will be to address what the problem is and see if a solution can be worked out that will satisfy both ends. This is important. However, your over-the-top harassment is on a whole 'nother level. This is the kind of stuff that falls under the category of "toxicity". When one Member (or even a group) are maliciously and intentionally harassing several other people, then it becomes a problem. In this situation, it isn't a case of arguing, it's a case of "our group's beliefs are better than yours, and therefore you're wrong and are scum of the earth". This is where things get skewed around here. Things start to de-rail and the wrong values are then enforced. It becomes difficult to determine what side is right from wrong. When it gets to this point, it is almost too late to address the problem because it has so deeply rooted itself within the minds of few too many Members. Almost every problem that ever surfaces will have arisen from a conflict between two people. Remember when I mentioned the whole "conflicting interests and opinions"? This is what it stems from. If left untreated, it will grow like a cancer. Soon friends of Person A will back Person A's beliefs, then friends of Person B will back Person B's beliefs, or worse when a group will back one and no one is there to back the other. I'm going to wrap this up, because this is one long-arse looking post. All I'm getting at is that things aren't so black/white in terms of "toxicity". You can't expect to just throw down punishments for it and be done with it, that just simply won't work out. To finish up, I'm going to open the floor to any open criticisms at all within this thread. If there is any sort of problem/beef/hate that you would like to vent at all, let it out, and I guarantee and promise that I will not react hostile, I will respect your opinion, and maybe even consider changes within myself in reflection of it. I welcome any and all things @Tsuchikure ;) I would also like to make this thread one that anyone may feel free to express any opinion or criticism of anyone else who posts. Again, anyone who posts in this thread opens the door to possible criticisms (from others) and should expect it.With that said, do not post with the intention of verbally abusing or harassing someone, constructive criticism is the best kind of criticism. - Dat guy, Forest

@Kypari please keep this thread clean, when I need you i will address you with an @Kypari stop attention whoring and let the grown ups talk.

+1 We're finally going to perm this butt?

who r u

change "smelly" to "filthy" and replace the icon with this @Tsuchikure

Buying hat "Anger" (costs like 2.33 ref) For taunt "Fresh Brewed Victory" (costs like 2.66 ref) I don't know if this is a scam since the prices for taunts change so damn much but this is whats it got.

HOLY FUCK WHAT IS GOING ON, WHY IS EVERYONE DC'ING [Jaxomurf] has disconnected [insane] has disconnected [instincts] has disconnected [Egoist Evi] has disconnected [starmiX] has disconnected [Everyone] has disconnected @Insane what the fuck happened man, that shit was INSANE

wtf are you on about?

Oh, did somebody on the internet hurt your feelings? Bring this up the next time you see your therapist, you special, sensitive snowflake.

Stop arguing. Keep this civilised, please.

~closed.

You can easily see a massive difference in the severity of the comments. Not to mention how I'm saying if I deserve a ban then you are going down with me.

~closed for prevention of shitstorm and for CL consideration.