Vexx

Basically, I've been having these problems whenever I use a Strange Shotgun (only the Strange). Whenever I equip it, my character will appear to constantly change weapons and render me unable to shoot or use it at all. I've tried 4 different Strange Shotguns, tried 2 different computers and still have no luck. This only occurs on xG servers. Please take a look at the video linked to see the issue.

If you have any unusual effects on your weapons, try removing the unusual effects. This is a problem with the unusual plugin (I think) and there's really no way I know of fixing it.

Opening our server up a bit more would be nice, allowing anyone to come and talk to friends without needing to register to the forums immediately would most likely bring more people. I honestly have no idea why we have the NSFW channel, I had to mute and hide it because it really just did not feel very fitting considering most stuff posted there is not allowed on any of our servers or forums, so why discord?

As for bots, there's a couple I know of that I have used before:

Konata:

Konata

Notsobot:

Bot: NotSoBot

Commands: https://mods.nyc/help/

These two seem to be the most used by other people, and they're really simple to use. I'd recommend if people plan on using the bots to play music in their channel, that we get more than one bot for playing music.

Not a bad idea, would be quite useful to keep the trash to a minimum.

When we first allowed people to use the chat tags through hub, we did it to give staff more freedom. Sure there are quite a few problems with that, such as hub being down sometimes or a staff member just never typing in chat, but it was still more freedom nonetheless. If you guys wanna re-add the enforcing of using staff tags in steam names that's fine, but it's not something I necessarily support. You can support a community fully without having their tag in your name, and most likely people will simply just take the tag out of their name once they're done playing TF2 or staffing for the day. Keep in mind this ill probably peeve a lot of our staff out but I'm sure they'll get used to it again after a while.

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Already 3 or 4 threads on this. You can look through those for any reasoning as to why not we don't have one.

There will never be an official xG discord.

Ok but from what I can tell, we removed the old clocktown and only have this version currently. Testing it is fine, but if we're replacing a stable map with a map full of sound bugs we should have both until the new version is stable and working, or as kypari said, not add it yet. (Basically how we treated the broken or ill working hyrule in the versions that didn't work as well)

 

 

If I misread and we still have both just ignore me.

And removing b2a makes me feel dirty inside and this is the first I've heard of it, so I'm not sure how to react to that, but that's another issue for another day.

The map creator for the new clocktown has explicitly told me multiple times that keeping b2a on the map list and also having this new version would create issues on peoples clients. I replaced it for the time being so that people didn't experience issues, but of course it is still happening. The map maker is working on a fix for all the sounds bugs so it will be fixed very soon.

-1 You were warned many times before being banned, don't see any reason to unban.

I know this has something to do with unusual effects on weapons, I'd try resetting any effects you have and trying again.

User will not be unbanned.

@Bello @mrnutty12 @Sesh Feel free to re-open if you disagree.

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i forgot to add that i have somrthing that makes me twitch alot

What does that have to do with micspamming?

User has been unbanned.

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Should just give this guy a warning, no point in jumping straight to ban even though his behavior is quite awful.

Considering the ban is almost over anyway, I'd say we unban. @Bello, @mrnutty12, @Sesh thoughts?

micspam:it was my autism not my fault

 

avoiding ban:i left cause i was bored

Is this...real?

Saying you have autism is not excuse for acting like that, @ThunderLimes what is your reasoning?

I think if we were to add an "expiration" to bans then we should keep it at 8+ months. If we kept it at 6 months, there is room for someone to abuse this. That may sound unreasonable for someone to abuse but I have met some pretty dedicated people in my days and would not put it past them if we gave them the chance. 8+ months keeps people from going all the way up to before a perm and stopping twice a year. As for the ban based on the severity of the rule broken, I wouldn't mind this but I already know this will confuse people really bad. Unfortunately, if something isn't written down to tell people what to do and how to do it, someone will get confused as to what to do. The thing about punishing separately for different rules broken that I do see popping up is a bit silly in my opinion. Someone who knows how to loophole this can get punished up to a month probably 5 times over before facing anything more severe.

User has been un-team banned.

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I honestly don't even remember banning you, so I'd be 100% fine with you being unbanned. +1

Based on your previous posts, you didn't really investigate this entire situation. You don't really know the history of Brian and it sounds like you are just going based off of what other people are telling you. The way Brian was *insulting* you was agreeably childish, however, it should not warrant a ban. I mentioned the fact he was a good staff member because it implies he should have some slack cut for him

While I did not research the original ban as I should have, I did talk with a lot of my staff about how brian has been in the server, and have even witnessed some of it myself. Rejects was cut no slack, he was demoted all the way to member, though there was talk about just dropping to probationary mod for a bit there, in the end it was a full demotion so that no bias was shown. Once again, just because he was staff previously does not mean he should be "cut come slack". Brian has never personally insulted me, nor do I dislike the guy. Fairness is what I'm going for here, and sure I already admitted I did make a mistake by not investigating properly before hand. A two week silence was proposed in terms of a punishment, due to his behavior.

That's fine with me, I'm fine with a ban to a day, not . A month is excessive. I will also add a few more things here before this thread is closed.

 

 

 

You seem to be disregarding your own rules in your guide, if the guide is supposed to be followed blindly and we shouldn't take matters into context, you automatically broke the rules by banning brian without getting his side of it.

Why tell me to edit the thread about non-existing rules from me telling the staff to use common sense and try to not ban someone for a month after a week ban that was years ago, and then break the rules you're telling me every staff is supposed to follow? Another thing too, if a verbal or text warning gets ignored, a kick is a perfectly fine solution. Kypari choosing to warn but not kick automatically implies he is choosing which rules to follow and interpreting it his own way as your guide says to kick after a warning (depending on the situation of course).

 

I'm at least glad this issue is coming up now so we can get it resolved for the future. Aside from that, I have been and will talk to Brian about his behaviour, and I will have a thread + discussion with not only the higher ups, but also our community on changes that clearly need to be addressed.

That is the words of players Aegean, Kypari is one of my staff. He knows what he's doing usually, and in the event sourcebans was working, he would've made the ban instead of me and nothing would have been changed. If I can't go on the word of my staff on the servers, how am I supposed to make an unbiased decision on most of what I am doing? I already said you were right, I should have gotten the other side of the story, but I will still in the end trust my admins with these sort of situations.

Let's get this straight...

 

The solution here for a ban appeal on someone with a very minimal ban history, and a rich history of being a great staff member is to week ban him for a name on a server.

Not only that, his name wasn't even offensive, it was just Admins are Badmins. Are staff that fragile that a name criticizing you is warrant of a week ban? Ridiculous.

 

The fact this needs a ban is childish, the fact @Vexx or @Kypari didn't investigate anything is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if someone was once a great staff member, they should still be punished like a normal user nonetheless. I'll agree that yeah, a bit of criticism isn't bad, but if your entire intention for being on is just to start a shitstorm with the current staff online, why have that user around? As has been stated many times, Brian has had a history of insulting users and staff and has been quite toxic as of late.

@Vexx from the tf2 admin handbook that you wanted me to edit.

 

 

 

He admits himself that he did not react to his warning, so he knows he might not have seen it. Regardless he went to asking you for a month long ban immediately. If we are gonna blindly follow our ruleset, and he went with a warning, should he not have done a kick as well before requesting a month long ban? Or does he get to choose which steps he can follow?

 

 

 

Common sense should hopefully be not banning someone for a month over a name stating admins are badmins. Common sense should also be to ask the individual for their side of the story and not blindly following admin ban requests, especially from someone who is known to blow things out of proportion.

Well you are right, I should have gotten more to the story before putting in the ban, but I figured I'd do it because sourcebans wasn't working anyway, and @Kypari is one of my staff which of course I will trust him in most situations. As for @Brian's ban, I will propose we drop the ban down to a much lower time, as sure, a month ban may seem a bit much in the event he did not see his warnings. In the future though, please try to pay attention to chat in the event this comes up again. There's really no middle ground when it comes to warnings, we can't do voice because someone may have their sound muted, and we can only count on the user paying attention to the chat when it does come to warnings. When it comes to the time we should lower it to, I will propose we lower it to a week. The user in question still had the intention and a history of instigating our staff on the server, and I feel it would be completely unfair for us to drop the ban completely.

Just gonna respond to you guys, and then let the community decide as even the higherups and I disagree. A permanent ban obviously has no falloff date because it hasn't been served because it's permanent, so this example makes no sense to me @Vexx, nor am I suggesting for permanent bans to automatically be unbanned after a certain amount of time.

 

Someone who fully serves a punishment years ago, should not blindly be followed to a greater punishment. The context of "he doesn't learn" has 0 basis if he's been on and off the server for years with no further punishment. We're a gaming community... do you honestly think the punishment fits the crime? @Sesh

If you think that bans from years/months ago shouldn't count against a user, I would really recommend adding it to our admin handbook: TF2 Staff Manual (Everything you need to know!) | Xeno Gamers. I really do not want to confuse our staff with ban lengths and what ban should falloff when, our staff has only known to take standard procedure, regardless of time. With this, we will probably have to take a look at some of our permanent bans that have been issued to users who have faced the same form of punishment, as I know it has happened before with a user facing a punishment that they had last faced a year ago. If you really feel like it's unfair, we could lower the ban time or remove it completely. Ultimately I would like only a fair and balanced punishment.

Okay I'll just give you an example then, if I'm a member of this community and I freekilled enough to get a week ban, if in over 2 years I freekilled someone again, do I deserve a month ban?

Well in the event it was accidental, no. But if it was an intentional freekill, and you had been warned and kicked up to this point, then yeah it would be a month ban since you knew it was against the rules, and knew you would eventually face repercussions for it. Once again, if you'd like we can add a falloff date for bans to about a year or so, but it's something I highly would not recommend.

@Kypari does sourcebans being disabled also prevent being able to be kicked? I'm asking that as a legitimate question.

 

Also, I would like to hear the feedback from @Bello, @Vexx, @Sesh and @mrnutty12. You guys believe this warrants a month ban despite his last ban being over 2 years ago over something unrelated? I personally find a 1 month ban over his name insanely excessive, especially after his previous ban being so long ago.

Sourcebans being a bit messed up does nothing with kicks. Sourcebans only records mutes and bans, which will keep a player banned from all servers. With Sourcebans not working correctly on TGH, it only keeps bans and mutes for a client session or until a map change. As for the month ban, it is following standard procedure. There really is no falloff to punishments, and if there needs to be one we could talk about getting one. Though, in the event there is a falloff for bans, we would most likely have to start unbanning permanently banned players after said falloff date, which would make a permanent ban useless.

Edit: Kypari also stated that the user was kicked and warned the night before by another staff member, so the user was warned for his rule-breaking activity, albeit a day before this incident.

Also, why was I banned by a different admin rather than the one who made the claims?

How hard is it to give staff a set of rules to enforce. If they don't enforce the rules properly then they shouldn't be staff.

Staff are given the same rules to enforce as you are to follow. They are also given this guide to use: TF2 Staff Manual (Everything you need to know!) | Xeno Gamers and also do need to heed to the donator rules, which is where your complaint falls into. The reason why we didn't used to enforce the scareme thing was because anyone could use it. It was changed to donator only, as it was originally intended, and was then enforced as a donator command, falling into donator abuse if someone used it to gain an advantage. And once again, what one staff member may see as racist, others may not. Different staff members live in different parts of the world, racist comments in one place won't be the same in others. As for the one you were mentioning, the user in question seemed to be just spouting garbage, and inherently pretty harmless. You said a slur which, you were told not to say, which is why you were punished.