realBelloWaldi

I'd like to first apologize to you personally for the assumptions based around the argument this thread, and apologize to the other responses in this thread to make it seem like you were plagiarizing the map, and secondly clear some stuff up.

This started when a poketrade regular had the initiative to want to make his own pokemon map for the server, and was browsing the workshop. They discovered the past workshop link and then brought it to me which I then pointed it out to higherups. I was also trying to base this thread more so around the like-dislike ratio of the map than the "look at this guy he STOLE a MAP" scummy callout sort of thing. It came off as responses being +1's because of the callout rather than a formed opinion around the map. I agree that this thread was based upon assumptions that hadn't been researched before being said, and I also agree that the thread could've been more competently made. I agree completely. To clear up why I removed you, the word choice you used were pretty aggressive and I'd have loved it if you pointed out that what I was saying was incorrect in a decently respectful manner rather than calling me an autistic dumbass. My last point is that the place where (I assume) the "textures from HK" sign is stated is unreadable, as seen below, which is why I, again, simply only made assumptions off of what I thought was reasonable evidence.

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Closing the thread for now due to OP's request. Feel free to make a new poll though.

I was told this recently and talked to Sylux about it briefly but he feels that he "doesn't need to prove shit."

I just talked to Sylux. He claims to be friends with the original author. Apparently it's an older map that the guy who uploaded it on Steam did when he was into mapping. Now he's just making textures and gives some of them to Sylux.

If you still don't believe him, ask the author himself (maybe you should have done this before making assumptions): Steam Community :: HMK3

Firstly, I'd like to bring up the fact that this map isn't even made @Sylux as seen here, a map from 2014.

I'm not sure if your poll is valid considering you could be spreading false information. Have you talked to Sylux personally about it? If I recall correctly, Sylux knows the original authors and didn't "steal" the map.

Not too sure but if what you said is wrong the community vote might have been different.

It's actually procedure to day ban for a troll report/misuse of !calladmin.

 

+1 for unban, since it was a misunderstanding.

This is true. If someone abuses calladmin you can jump to a day ban.

However, make sure they're actually abusing it. In cases like these where someone genuinely believes someone is hacking/abusing/breaking rules and so on a day ban is not appropriate.

Explain the situation to them and make sure it doesn't happen again. For clarification, I'm just generally speaking. I've read @Krampus's post and I really don't blame him either.

Since Krampus himself admitted that he was wrong and @mrnutty12 + Vexx gave input as well, I'm gonna unban him right now.

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Did we come to a result? Can people only use colors that are not "normal" in friendly now? If so, is it written down anywhere?

thanks for reading and everything!

@Sesh seemed to be the only one giving input on this topic. if no one else has anything to say ill change the rules so that you can colorize yourself anything other than normal in friendly (only if @Sesh agrees too)

:waving: adios!

hes in a big warehouse, and is assigned/picks a letter and in or out of state. he then sorts all of the packages within his letter by zip/postal code. (if it is for the out of state section, he sorts by state/province [if canada is included])

thank you :D

I have applied to Amazon Fulfillment and my start date is pending.

what is that

@Bone thank you for curing my severe depression. Your emoticons always help me in dark times. Thank you for that server as well, Bone. You surely donate a lot of money to xG.

Thank you for stopping starvation in third world countries as well. We appreciate you.

Please, to anyone reading this. One minute... One HOUR of silence for bone. If you are ever low on money, you just wanna talk or you need help with the servers, please do NOT hesitate to message me. Bone you are like a brother to me. Actually no, you are like JESUS Christ himself to me. Thank you so much for everything.

Skill Surf would be fun. I'd also like to see a Rocket Jump server as well as Smash Bros.

Last time I checked there was no public plugin for TF2.

whew im being remembered

welcome back

Good luck, Kitty!

Actually I've never had problems with any donator before. The real problem I've seen very common is They didn't read the donators rules first.

 

Most of our donators are valued

members and they know the rules perfectly Well and they don't want to lose their powers so I think they are going to follow our rules however nothing is perfect, probably someone is going use those powers to break our rules so to avoid confusion we need to record and Give then the last warning in chat and voice chat after the week ban +Removal of powers because they are going to use the excuse of admin abuse and we need proves.

 

Put yourself into the donator's shoes they are going to fight for their powers so most of them are going to use the ban protest or in the worst case admin abuse report to give their power back.

 

I agree with Bello's protocol we need to think in the future and how they are going to act after losing their powers.

Damn Vac I've never seen such a well written post from you! (y) (y) (y)

There has been a lot of confusion on how to deal with Donator abuse, so the TF2 higher ups have discussed this subject and we came up with a little something:

• What counts as Donator abuse?
  

Breaking our guidelines/rules on Donator powers that can be found here: Donator Information | Xeno Gamers

Someone purposely misusing Donator powers is not allowed, an example would be killing people with noclip.

However, I expect our staff to use common sense to determine whether something was intentional or accidental. Let's say someone buys über Donator and wants to test out his powers. They use /kartme and accidentally bump into another person. In situations like these, where someone was obviously just having an accident, it is not necessary to punish them. Try to explain the command to them to prevent this from happening in the future. Then again, if someone who had Donator powers for quite a while just charges into enemies with /kartme, they should be punished.

Now let's get to the interesting part:

• How to punish abusive Donators:
  

The protocol in these cases is:

Warn -> Kick -> Day Ban

Kick -> Week Ban + Removal of powers

If they're abusing for the first time, give them a warning through chat and tell them what they've done wrong. If they do not listen, kick them. If they come back after a kick, you can ban them for a day. If they come back after a day ban and abuse again, you do not have to warn them again. Jump straight to a kick. If they come back after a kick and do it again, ban them for a week and notify the higher ups so we can remove their powers.

• A few things to add:
  

As mentioned earlier, you shouldn't follow this protocol when someone accidentally screws up - it has happened to everyone.

Additionally, it does not matter if someone has been banned before, this protocol applies for Donators regardless of their ban history (unless they have been banned for abuse before, obviously). To make it more clear, here's an example:

If someone has a day ban for bodyblocking and abuses their powers, do not kick them and then jump to a week ban.

[spoiler=Tags]- @Bello

- @Vexx

- @mrnutty12

- @Sesh

- @Vector

- @BonfireCentipede

- @Vacindak

- @Kyuubey

- @Elcark

- @ThunderLimes

- @YeEternalTuna

- @Kypari

@Ms.Spooks

- @Bone

- @Natsu

- @LemonVolt @TheSupremePatriot

- @sick41057

- @NitNat

- @Blizzard

- @shwash

- @Spoopy

- @Amylicious

- @Thunder

- @Frusty

- @Tekage

- @Matteomax

- @Krampus

Can we close this to prevent this guy spamming or something? @Sesh @Vexx @Bello @mrnutty12

Let's not be too hard on him, he obviously seems apologetic and regrets what he has done.

However, I'm neither re-opening this thread nor unbanning him but it doesn't seem like he gets why he was banned in the first place.

@neonref it's not micspamming that got you banned, it's the fact that you left to dodge your mute. Try not to do it again and you'll be fine. Somehow no one has mentioned this yet.

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You also did as well????????????????? Scroll up a bit and you'll see.

You also did as well????????????????? Scroll up a bit and you'll see.

I'm kind of more on the stricter side of things when it comes to punishing, though I try not to go too deep on it, but after the number of situations with people getting in trouble up to a kick and then just 'cooling off' for a while before they go right back to it a few weeks later, I think I'd go with the kick and then ban for offenses after the first warning/kick/ban/etc.

i agree, im gonna make a public statement today (this time really)

I loved the idea but it's not actually as good as I thought.

We have had it for a while now though so I'm not sure if reverting it back to the old system is a good idea.

for future references: i agree with what @TheSupremePatriot said

Jesus Christ @Kypari what have you started. You guys don't have to make admin submissions. If we deem you suitable for admin you will get it.

But where is the evidence that he has matured, I have seen people call others mature, and they either don't talk, or are afk.

How do you prove that someone is mature though???

I have not seen substantial evidence/proof that Tatost has matured one bit.

You can barely even proof that someone is mature. You can, however, very easily prove that someone is immature. This makes no sense. And once again, I'm asking you to prove that he is immature. Please substantiate your claims.

I am looking for a change in character and Maturity, and from what I am shown Tatost is not fit for the position, he is just toxic.

 

 

Skelly: Hello?

tatost: ps: Tuna was the worse decision for admin in my opinion and him getting admin was the icing on the cake of me leaving. Have fun with the toxic king.

tatost: if this is a joke, not very funny

tatost: if it wasn't, keep it to PM instead of saying that sort of shit in front of literally everyone

Skelly: you know im leaving so its not my fucking problem

tatost: But it will be your last impression the community for a while, and you make yourself sound like a fucking child

tatost: And that is coming from a 14 year old

tatost: Keep it to private messages, dude. You have no right to bash Tuna.

tatost: If you're upset with him getting admin, then put it up with bello or vexx

********: kif

********: kid

********: you got kicked out for harassment, you have no right to give me fucking advice. so stfu and mind your own business, it was my choice. also another thing before you give advice. know the whole situation'

tatost: Okay? But can I not help you from making the same mistake?

tatost: Me and Isabelle are cool now

tatost: I've apologized to him multiple times privately, and on the servers.

********: im not harassing people. this is the only thing ive done. ive always hated tuna and everyone knows it

********: besides i dont play tf2 anymore

tatost: No one gives to shits whether you hate him or not, you do not have any right to go ahead and shit on him when he gets admin.

tatost: You're no better than me at this point.

********: no, there is a difference

tatost: I at least didn't call Isabelle a fucking bad choice for staff

********: everyone knows hes a bad fucking choice

tatost: my getting kicked out was because I was insistant on getting a fucking answer for my question when he didn't want to answer

tatost: I think he's a great choice. Tuna is great guy.

********: no, he isnt. hes a toxic asshole. he might do his job, but thats the literal only good thing

tatost: I haven't heard of him doing anything "toxic", and to me, he has been one of the coolest guys I have ever met in this community.

********: wow you are so fucking blind or havent talked to him much.

tatost: Question mark?

tatost: People can click with others quite differently than another would the exact same person.

tatost: He's been a great person to talk to whenever I run into him on the TF2 servers, or even the MC server

********: well thats you

tatost: But back to my first point, you shouldn't have said that, even though everyone knows that you hate tuna. It was extremely childish.

********: okay its too late to take it back even if i wante to so mind your own fucking business and you added me just to give me a fucking lecture

********: so get the fuck off my page

tatost: What I want

tatost: is for you to apologize

tatost: to tuna

********: im not apologizing

tatost: for being childish

********: fuck that

********: no

********: i said what i said and im not taking it back

********: so you add me for this shit.

tatost: Then you leave xG on a state equal to the point when I got kicked out. Not really on the good side of plenty of the xG members

********: i dont give a shit

********: im probably not coming back anyway

tatost: I want you to be a man and apologize for doing this in front of the entire clan.

********: i want you to understand something tatost. this clan is not a part of a life i care about.

tatost: I don't give two shits if you come back or not, hell, I'd rather you not come back seeing that you would do this sort of thing to someone in front of plenty of people.

********: tatost

********: listen

tatost: I know you don't give a fuck, dude.

********: stfu for a second and understand something. i edited

tatost: But at least have some decency.

********: no

********: fucking listen

********: i edited the thing about tuna in

********: as a back handed slap at that. i want people to know how i feel about Tuna. not just higher ups. i want everyone to know how i felt. if that means tuna gets hurt oh well. its not my problem. he can be a man and deal with his problems. what do you think im doing? ruining his life. this is a gaming clan,

 

 

Tatost insisted on harassing someone for an apology.

Look I understand it's been a month since his membership, but that's not enough to someone change

 

And If Tatost deserves a second chance for the mighty duck incident, then atleast give rejects another chance as well, I am sure it's been a long wait deserved. If you want to talk about dedication for the communtiy Rejects had it like no other. I hold everyone to the same expectation , whether it be my opinion or not, Tatost just hasnt reached it.

Once again, I have nothing but respect for what Tatost did in this situation. Unlike 90% of this clan, Tat did confront skeletal directly instead of shittalking him in some discord behind his back. If you see that as harassment, then uh, fair enough.. I'd however like to mention that not confronting people directly alienates xG and just causes new flame wars and drama because people separate themselves into groups.

You should also notice that these are private messages that were probably not meant to be given out publicly. If you wanna call him toxic, please substantiate your claims by showing when and how he has been toxic on our servers. And once again, stop mentioning Rejects, he has nothing to do with this. It's not like Rejects was not promoted because he's too immature, it had completely different reasons that I personally don't entirely agree with but the majority of our higher ups still deem him unfit.

@Giraffes

I don't want to argue too much and I'll try to keep this as respectful as possible, but I disagree with most of your points.

tatost lies about knowing who manly duck is and tells everyone who knows to lie and then gets kicked out completely for harassing staff.

Many people lied about it. All of them have received their punishments. This happened around three months ago and he deserves a second chance. Ever since then Tat and his group of friends have been reporting all of ManlyDucks accounts to me.

Rejects adds some extra power and now has no chance while tatost is applying to be a mod.

What does Rejects have to do with this mod submission?

IT HAS BEEN A MONTH since he was a member, that is complete bs.

He has been a member for a month and a regular for around a year. He has shown a lot of commitment and dedication towards the servers.

I also would like to point out this thread

Goodbye For Now | Xeno Gamers

It is completely @Skeletal's right to dislike tuna and to deem him unfit as admin, but the way he did it was wrong. It was not constructive at all and he should have done it differently if anything. No offense to Skeletal right here but I think that's something we can agree on. If someone makes these kind of posts then people are gonna react to it accordingly. Tatost felt like the way Skeletal expressed his thoughts was wrong and spoke out against it.

I would also like to point out that the majority of staff are friends this decision is way to bias.

You do realize that @Kyuubey is the person who Tatost "harassed", right? I don't think @Aegean and Tat are friends. And I'm 100% sure @ThunderLimes and Tat aren't friends either, yet not even the legend himself ThunderLimes gave him a -1.

In the end I don't think 1 month is clear enough to see change.

A change from what? That one comment he made on Skeletal's thread?

If there is barley any time to see change in Rejects, then there is no way Tatost is mature enough!

Don't bring @Rejects into this he has literally nothing to do with Tat's mod submission.

Feel free to respond to this @Giraffes but please let's keep this as respectful as we can.

TL;DR I can't agree with this.

Why not - let's give it a try!

Map added!