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You fools. You stupid, crazy fools. Do you realize what you have done? You have effectively opened the floodgates to them all; this will be the end of vouching as we know it. The structure and integrity of vouches have been buried alive, and I can hear the collective whispers of the damned as the time draws near. They are coming. You have doomed us all. The uprising of the "+1 cool guy" is at hand. All jokes aside, I'm pretty skeptical about the new system. I never really saw a problem with the old system where upon reaching 10 positive vouches, the applicant was accepted (where any negative vouches would reduce the total positive) after 24 hours of receiving the final 10th vouch. I completely understand the idea behind this movement, but exclusivity at the cost of getting 10 vouches didn't [and still doesn't] seem like some impossible feat. It gave Players something to work for (as opposed to a generalized ratio of positive to negative vouches which is in effect now) and they could see in real-time where they were at in the review process in terms of monitoring their positive vouches. I personally feel that quality is far better than quantity, and that's what we got when letting Players in to represent Xeno Gamers as a full-time Member through the old system. It ensured that we let quality Players in, not just any Player off of the street, and it gave Xeno Gamers this sort of respectable air around it. Joining Xeno Gamers felt like an honour (to me at the time) and so it felt great to receive all of the vouches I did because I worked hard for them and was rewarded for my efforts by receiving a full-membership. The number of vouches not only gave the community an idea of who the Player was, but it also enabled the Higher-Ups to formulate an opinion themselves because, more often than not, it would take weeks to get in at a time. It gave a decent buffer time for Higher-Ups and enabled them to weed out any Players they deemed 'not worthy'. 2 days just seems too few to really judge a Player. That all being said, if the end-goal is quantity > quality, then it's certainly more effective in that aspect. However, this is all just personal opinion, it's just good to see an active interest from the Higher-Ups in improving Xeno Gamers in any way :coffee:

With the amount of evidence there is, there is just no way to really know if he was silent aiming or not. The 11 second clip doesn't show enough to really know if he really was. Just because someone who was previously banned is in his comments doesn't mean he was using silent aim as well. As for the friends thing, the amount of friends you have on steam has nothing to do whether or not you're hacking, I personally cannot stand having any number over 60 and I have almost 8k hours on TF2. +1 for an unban, if he really was doing it, then we can just ban him again.

Member Submission Guidelines. (Read) I will list the changes here as well so it's more clear. Anyone with a membership application currently open will have an answer within the next 2 days as following our current changes. The Changes (subject to change at a later date) * After 2 days of your membership being open, you will be accepted if you fit the criteria as long as nobody gives a valid reason to keep you from getting into the community (this is judged by the higher ups) Vouches still are a great way to increase your forum activity, get credits and also give input to help us recruit the right members into our community! We will introduce new ranks to members (junior - senior etc) but we will discuss the names with the higherups and implement that at a later time! If you have been perm banned or kicked out in the past (and not pardoned), you need 3 higherups (dm+) to vouch for you to get accepted into xG Any member application currently open will be grandfathered into these new changes, and they will get accepted/declined based on these new changes

I believe he was referring to the fact that because TF2 is free, people can make spoof accounts when an account gets banned. No sense in adding people when you know you'll eventually be caught for hacking after all, hence the high-rate of accounts being used for hacking with little to no friends. That being said, there's a reason why the Admin Handbook (while outdated) has/had the following rule in place: Not everyone shares the same perspective which can result in situations such as this, which is why it's important for there to be multiple Staff to witness the event. Obviously there are exceptions, but nonetheless it's still a good rule of thumb, especially if lag is a common occurrence.

@Vacindak Do you happen to have another clip that you could show, or do you just have that one? If we are looking off of the one Vac gave us, it does look really fishy. Tragic Mike's ping in the video shows that he himself wasn't lagging. @Vacindak How much ping do you normally get on the surf server? If it's roughly sub 100ms. then you really shouldn't notice anything too much. I wouldn't really say much unless Vac does have another video to show. Just a little FYI, staff won't give you a heads up if they're going to ban you for hacking. Vac got a demo; he saw the soldier hit the scout even though the scout wasn't even in the hit-markers. I think it's safe to say Vac is fine on this ban. Even if it's an accident. You want to give it a shot and see if it does? Back when ManlyDuck played on PokeTrade, I'd spectate him after he killed me and his shots were reasonable. They actually lined up with the hit-boxes, and he also had an upper 100ms. ping most of the time.

I suppose it makes sense, but at the same time it just feels like the bar has been set too low to gain full-membership. It's worrisome because what if a Member Application only receives one positive vouch that is simply "seen him around on servers, he's pretty fun +1" during that two day period, with no negative vouches or anything? As the rule currently stands (assuming this is the polished final product): It just seems like this system is heavily dependent on those who vouch immediately on a Member Submission (based on the fact that the applicant will be accepted, not can be accepted), which is either incredibly rare, or the vouches themselves are no where near detailed enough. With the way it is currently set, the Guidelines seem to put a lot more emphasis on why someone shouldn't be permitted to gain full-membership instead of why they should be. That being said, it isn't inherently bad or anything. It just feels less like a Member Submission and more like a minor hurdle to jump over; just barely one step over what someone has to do to join the Xeno Gamers Steam Group. Also, just for the sake of debate, I'm only voicing my concerns, not trying to step this whole thing into the ground. Apologies in advance if it seems that way. Annnd just thought I'd mention this: not sure if this was intended, but the Guidelines thread doesn't highlight the whole "2 day processing time" anywhere in it. That, or I'm blind af.

My internet is bad but is not always laging. I play surf Combat, That is not a normal game. Is totally HARD to bhop with space if you have 180 ping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh0ggUFNaqQ Apart from that. i banned that guy at 3:24 Am. basically at night my ping is good (120 -115 Ping) because all my family members are sleeping. Second. I found something interesting. I was watching Mike´s profile. then i saw Melolzcore in the comments section. [ATTACH]28170[/ATTACH] Them I Remember ..Did Nutty ban that guy before? Yes he Did!! Xeno Gamers Player Information | Xeno Gamers And guess what. he got ban for the same Situation "Silent aim" Is a extremly rare Coincidence. i´m not saying he is Melolzcore. But he has 60 friends in steam ... well 58 without me and lemon , He has only 5 Comment in his profile. Too less for someone who plays 3800hours in tf2 also started playing tf2 in 2012.

I like the new changes and definitely think making it easier to get in is a good thing. My only concern is that two days might be a little short. The percentage of our playerbase that checks forums daily is pretty low, so not very much of the community is going to be involved in the process in that short of time. But my suggestion, that would help whether we increase the time frame or not, is to start pushing the forums alot harder than we already do on the servers. Not just in chat, but in the middle and on the side of the screen (atleast in tf2 not sure how other games would work). As @Forest said, our community has until now been very selective, with a high bar to be accepted, and that's worked, but if we're going to change that we can't just make it this thread and higher ups running the changes and done. We need to commit to raising traffic total for this to work at it's best. Buckle up for the member protest section to be more than just the after thought it's been for years ;)

I was going to type something longer to explain our reasoning, but @Aegean covered some of it in his post. I'd just like to add; The issues we were having with the old system was that a lot of people didn't really understand the purpose of the vouches which in addition to the guidelines being a complete mess (which has now been fixed) led to confusion in a lot of cases. A lot of applications never really met the old requirements (which was 7 for TF2, 3 for CS:GO) which was really disheartening and a lot of people give up after their first member application being denied. Members who put in extra work to be stand-out members of the community will still be recognized and rewarded when we flesh out the member hierarchy properly. We feel like this in addition to badges (which are being finalized probably some time this week) will bring a bit of bling to members that really put in that extra mile to make xG a better place for all of us.

Totally understand where you're coming from, but just look at the member application section of the forums. Look how many members have applied but have not even gotten a vouch. They probably won't come back to the forums, and just because you're shy and don't talk a lot does not mean you are not a quality member. Unfortunately, the vouching system just to gain membership only allows outgoing players who are good at making friends join the clan very quickly, and pretty much keeps away anyone who might not use the mic or talk a lot in servers. I want xG to be a place where people who are accepted and become a member can gain new friends, and come out of their "shell" so to speak, where they start making friends and enjoy a warm community. As a few others have stated, we do have member protest section and we can always use it (:

Except for something called lag. Even if he is hacking, a 10 second clip is (almost) never damning enough for a permanent ban. There's a reason we have somewhat strict requirements for permanent bans. It's to minimize false positives.

In-Game Name: The Easter Buzzby Active Division: Team Fortress 2 Previously a Member in xG: No Identity: Steam Community :: The Easter Buzzby Banned: No Active on Teamspeak: No Time Active on Servers: 13 hours Age: 18 Reasons for Joining: I would like to become a member of this lovely community because I would love to join this comuunity.

That depends entirely on how much horsepower is available on the machine the server is hosted on. @Rhododendron is right person to ask.

That depends entirely on how much horsepower is available on the machine the server is hosted on. @Bello and @Rejects are the right people to ask. EDIT: Max players on TF2 is 32, whoops

If we get more members, that’s a good thing. Valve has a feature where you can auto-join when there is an available spot. Thats the only solution for now.

Their IP's don't match and don't point to the same area, so unless he's using a vpn it's not the same person

+1 has mic

Sadly i only have one because My stupid fraps closed when i tried to talk to lemon by Steam chat. :( I was watching him for 4 minutes and 32 seconds. I don´t have prove of that,i took that time using my phone.

Sorry the picture is broken so i re-Upload it again

I see no reason not to maintain the mutli-clan rule. Even though making entrance easier seems to be the clear goal of this, it's still important for the people here to try and be more focused on activity in this specific clan, even more so for new folks.

hey. Hey screw you

No, thats not how ping works at all. As long as your ping is consistent and not spiking up and down or you don't have any packet loss you're not going to experience any "flicks" in character models. @Bello @Rejects @Vexx can we get a verdict here?

~ c l o s e d ~

It does to get unbanned, but not to become a member.

yes, but it's slow

I would rather meet this woman

That´s why I want my replay back dude :/

From my experience it does happen but not that bad, maybe like a tiny tiny bit to the left or so but I have never seen anyone do this even when I have over 200 ping

I believe the term is silent aim, wherein the user's screen appears normal but their aim is altered by the client to tell the server they scored a hit. Anyways, -1 based on Vac's video; wasn't even aiming at the scout.

im honestly starting to feel embarrassed to share the same name and ethnicity as @Aegean :( but on the bright side at least im not american and my name isn't steven(y)

your op.gg is broken? fix your shit. btw did they teach you how to use forum tags in ur art school yet?>??? oh hey u suck

@Forest Silence and I had a ton of discussions about this aspect, and we did come to the conclusion after looking at other communities that our bar for membership was too high in the beginning. We did not want our community to be like "the old boys club" where if you don't know the right people or don't talk enough in servers you can't get in. We still value input from our members, but we do not want the reasoning of someone not standing out enough to be the reason they do not get into xG, and to find another community that accepts them with open arms. I know there's pros + cons to either way, but we feel this way has more pros than cons as it's easier to get rid of bad members, than it is to bring in quality members who might be shy. As virr mentioned as well, people will still need to be standout members to get staff, and also we will provide way more giveaways + events to glorify the members who are active in our community. Once our traffic is much higher in our community, and people are applying at a much higher rate, I'm sure people will visit the forums more often to give vouches towards players as that'll be a good way for them to increase forum count to apply for mod if that is their goal. Considering all things being said, I think it'll be a net gain that we will realize within a few months, especially once summer hits. I never have any issues with discussion so no need to apologize. I edited the membership guidelines thread again, Virr rewrote it to make it much simpler and cleaner and I forgot to edit the 2 day part in.

I think 2000 hours and 3800 hours are very different. Thats just my opinion though.

I'd rather see 4 days rather than 2 days. That gives more time for people to give their input on the applicant. But either way, glad to see that those who got -1'd to hell (for some meme reason) are going to have a better chance to get in.

I had a turkey sandwich today.

Thanks all of you for vouching for me I would love to be a member of XG and I can wait to meat every body I'm getting giddy writing this like a whit girl ordering a vanity anything from Starbucks

are the earrape buttons there yet, I want an @Vacindak "open door"

So, you've decided that you want to join xG? In order to become a member of xG, the applicant must meet the following requirements: You must be at least 13 years old. Not already a member of a different clan. Have minimum 12 hours on our servers (Subject to change at a later date) After 2 days of your member application you will either get accepted or declined. If you are declined membership for any reason, you may not reapply for a minimum of 30 days. If there are issues with your application, you may get an extra 5 days maximum to fix and answer any problems, or it will be automatically declined. 4/7/2017 If you have left or got kicked out of xG, and are allowed to re-apply, you must have 5 positive vouches of which at least 2 must be from a Higher Up (Division Manager or higher) for your application to be accepted. Vouching guidelines: Only existing members in xG are allowed to vouch. Your vouch may be deemed invalid if you fail to follow these guidelines. When vouching +1/-1s for any applicant - please consider the following: Is he/she active?. Does he/she listen to rules or admin directive when given? Or disrespect & break rules? Is he/she fun to play with? Be respectful with your comments. Why you feel the user should or should not become a member. Include maturity(M) and activity(A) ratings on a scale from 1 - 10. You are not to -1 any member you have never interacted with, hearsay / inactivity is not a valid reason. Failure to follow these guidelines will result in the rejection of your submission. -Updated 3/20 - 2019 IF YOU ARE READY, CLICK HERE TO APPLY!