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I guess I may as well post this as I have had the idea to post a member protest for quite some time. Well here we go this has been a long time coming. Cons: General Instigation - Constantly post in threads of no concern to him, in a division that he has no substantial contributions to with the sole purpose to either stir the pot or cause a rift. Contradicting Actions- The old sayinig of can dish it but cant take it. Can be incredibly rude and abrasive, but the second it happens to him he makes reports, messages silence, and will not stop until a breed of his own justice is served. Rudeness- Speaks for itself. Entirely unapproachable in any matter, looks down upon members. General Abrasiveness- Self explanatory, when most members are asked, this is the first quality they present about him. Entitlement- Believes his rank is a form of power, and those under him have no opinion or anything to add to his own idea of any given situation. Anti Social activity / trolling Animal Cruelty - Not getting into details, but if Tarin was removed for felonious acts, then this should apply too, according to my states laws. You can usually find him laughing about this matter. Pros: -Catches rulebreakers. Im opening this up to the public, and I hope that most of you will voice your opinions on the matter here, because most of you have so much to say behind closed doors. Matsi is unfit for staff, (You know who you are, and your rank, speak up and dont leave me hanging) his division is unhappy with his attitude, his abrasiveness, and entitlemeent. He posts with an elitist opinion on topics that he doesnt agree with, but the second someone has an issue with something he has posted, he messages Silence INCESSANTLY acting as a victim. His own division agrees he is good at moderating rulebreakers, but has a horrible attitude and is generally unpleasnt to be around. No one wants to play with him. They want him demoted. He is a bonafide animal abuser. Personally, Im not comfortable around a fricking felon, especially as someone who grew up in a rescue dog foster house. Its a felony. A FELONY. and we let him go about his business here, when we have gotten rid of other criminals in the past. Here are some ANONYMOUS QUOTES on the matter: TF2- "If we have a good amount of stuff to tack up, I'd say sure. Not gonna lie, I've wanted him gone for a while. He has been a real nuisance for a good long time. He is very combative and confrontational" "because hes all whole nother level of nasty. He wants things like DM and DL for immunity to others? Like really? He doesnt want to add to the community, he wants power" "I think he gets off on being an butthole to people, i cant stand being around him and he shouldnt have aa staff position" "The dog stuff is fricked up, thats not something a SANE person would just take apart of" "THEN, there is the issue with Matsi's confession about sexually abusing a dog. Elephant in the room. What a dude does in his own privacy is his own business and whatnot...but allow me to point out that we have fudgecanned others for similar, (and in one instance, a much less obstructive, albeit still serious issue). Tarin and Xerses immediately come to mind. Where do we decide is an okay level of federal offenses? Assault to animals is still a federal crime. It isn't child abuse or child pron, but it is still pretty fricked up." "Matsi, as we have discovered, has been going to Silence with every little petty issue he can stir up, and always paints himself as the victim in every circumstance, even if it was his actions that caused the problems to begin with. Now, I don't know about you, but if I was a manager of some retail store and one of my employees was constantly the cause of problems, never tried to correct his mistakes, and always went to my boss with lies about the problems in my store, I'd be livid. This is essentially what Matsi is doing." CSGO= "He puts his nose in places it doesnt belong to get a reaction, thee whole vector thing is a good example" "Hes not welcome in this division" "What would I say? you mean aside from the obvious lol?" Feel free to own up to these quotes as your own. I havent met anyone as miserable to be within any form of contact with, someone who has such a terrible rep here yet acts like they are entitled to this place. I sure as hell do NOT want him within any distance of my division yet alone in this clan. I had decided against posting my own member protest for a handful of reasons, but seeing as how he has now gone from talking about his 'fetishes' in private venues, he is now spouting INCREDIBLY PERVERSE SEXUAL content on the forums itself, I feel as i should add my two cents. At the very least- I do not want him anywhere near my division, this includes having access to the CSGO forums. I have had many conversations with many of you, now is your chance to speak your mind, please man up and say all the things you say behind his back so that this can be handled. Hes a felonious pervert and should take his sick ways elsewhere. +1

Member's Name: Matsi Member's Steam ID: go look for it. Information: Matsi has time an again demonstrated an immature and absolutely disgusting comments that range from giving blow jobs to stroking dogs. I demand something happen because these comments including his attitude need to have something be done to them. But i see the same sh*t and it feels like he can get away with it. Stroking dogs: He back peddles saying that he was talking about his job however in this context rabid is talking about having sex with animals and in this context matsi is actually talking about stroking a dog. In no way was his salon in the conversation and it's obvious what he means by this statement. Many people found this disgusting (myself including) and are upset nothing was done about it. Next is just from today: He's talking about his encounters in giving a blow job. What the f*ck? Why would anyone want to know this? Why would this come up? Why would you tell a bunch of 16 year old kids this? Keep in mind he has done this ON servers talking about his fantasies and fetishes and i had personally had to tell him to knock it off. His actual avatar: Matsi That wolf looks like it's drinking semen. I literally cannot understand and everytime i look at it, i feel a sick turning in my stomach making this member protest even more hard. Attitude: Important Steam Expoit. That whole thread is just matsi belittling people for being concerned about a steam exploit and didn't want to get scared. Regardless if it's credible or not it's still best to be cautious especially with the countless amount of bots out there. There are also countless times in the past where matsi has caused stupid shit to happen however some are from years ago and while i would love to add them it wouldn't be very fair. such as There is also always a smart A*s comment from matsi on shoutbox that's always there but since there is no shoutbox archive i can't go and get them.

So we can ban a guy for saying he wanted to fuck kids, but banning a guy for ADMITTING HE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AN ANIMAL you tell us to ignore it? A FELONY is a FELONY, and sexually perverted people shouldnt be allowed near younger, impressionable minors. Sorry, im not letting it slide. Also, as far as proof of his shit attitude, why not ask yourself why this has been an ongoing issue that involves more than half of the active players here, including a vast amount from his own division? If it were just one small thing here or there that ould be brushed off, then why does this thread have any sort of support at all? Shouldnt it have been deemed pointless from the start?

Y'all are turning this into a courtroom. Allegations of animal abuse? Wat. That's not the concern. We're aren't here to judge character or life choices, but whether or not removal of membership is necessary and if so why. The words illegal and legal don't matter here. Drugs are illegal but we aint banning anyone for talking about them. Try and keep it more on track, provide evidence (#notacourtroomhipocrite) and logical arguments, also please leave a vote in Snackbar's thread if you have not already.

It would seem that the evidence of his unwelcome sexual conversation pieces is pretty overwhelming. The comments made, the topics of conversation, the sexual context....bad enough if it's done in the closed environment of Teamspeak or something, but actively discussing things of this matter on the forums, and even worse, in our servers, is something that I feel should definitely NOT be coming from our staff. Hell, even in comfortable settings around people you are very friendly towards, you have to skate a very thin line. I myself am not innocent of being the cleanest poster in the world, as the shenanigans I post in Teamspeak sometimes can make a horse gag. But I know when and where it is acceptable to post crude things, and I DEFINITELY know to keep it away from the servers, as that is the place to be professional and hold myself to a certain standard. I had no knowledge of these happenings. I just spoke with Matsi last night and explained that when he is actually doing his job, he is great at it. But the main issue we are seeing here is the quality of his character. I have no issues with Furries. Just wanna put that out there right now. In fact, I am a HUGE supporter of the LGBTQ movement, and any and all sexual identities that may stray for the norm. I feel EVERYONE has the right to express themselves sexually and live any sort of sexual lifestyle they wish without being judged or looked down upon. HOWEVER, that support ends immediately if you're blatantly putting it out there for others to read and to make others feel uncomfortable. I'm not saying that was Matsi's intent, but this is definitely not the place to be talking about giving oral or having a cookbook whose main ingredient is cum. We are a gaming community, and while the games we play my be marketed towards an older crowd, we serve a very young playerbase. The average player on TF2 is between the ages of 14-16. That's about what we see in our servers. That's about what we see giving member applications. That's about what we are met with on a daily basis. These are VERY impressionable ages, and to think that someone is actively speaking about giving blowjobs and cooking with semen REALLY makes me uncomfortable. But that argument has been beaten to death. We are speaking instead on how Matsi handles himself when dealing with other members and staff. To that, I present the following: To give some context, Vector was days away from his unban, and he created a countdown thread that you can find here: Countdown Well, shortly into the thread, Matsi takes it upon himself to drop this bombshell. If there's anyone Vector doesn't get along with here, it's Matsi, (As apparently evident because this thread exists). As you can imagine, this did NOT end well. Many of the CS:GO division had voiced some pretty disrespectful things, but it was all instigated by this single comment. Instead of simply ignoring the thread, ignoring what Vector had to say, ignoring his very presence, Masti had to stir the pot. This happened less than a month ago. But this isn't all. It goes farther than just someone he insists on starting shit with on the forums. Hell, even when he was recently demoted, he insisted on starting a conversation with the higher-ups, demanding an explanation. The way he presented himself, the word choice, the attitude....it was all VERY disrespectful. There's certain ways to handle yourself, and there's terrible ways to handle yourself. The initial demotion was because of the attitude, and when the first thing you see is even more attitude flung about because of it, it doesn't look good. Then, there's how he handles disagreements. Don't you DARE have a different opinion, or you're incompetent: The rest of that thread, as well as context, can be read here: Surf Server Rules I was 100% for giving him a final chance, but I feel that's so far redundant that I don't honestly even want to deal with it anymore. I approached Matsi last night with the full intent of giving him an honest-to-goodness final chance to change, but with this new evidence of the abhorrent sexual content now seeping into our servers, I absolutely do not want him on my moderation team anymore. He does not represent our clan in a positive light, is abrasive, combative, argumentative, and confrontational. And that's not even considering the rest of the stuff. That's just how he handles himself. Ban? Not sure anything is really ban-worthy, but I definitely do not want him representing my staff. I hate to do it, as this is not the solution I want, but I can't justify the opposite. +1 for removal of staff privileges and membership. What he does afterwards is his decision.

I mean, things like this shouldn't be said on a server where kids are welcomed to play. We may not always be PG-13 oriented, But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed.

i dont think his membership should be taken away because he's said sexual stuff not normally accepted, just ask him to stop.

Member's Name: MATSI MEMBER PROTEST COMPANION THREAD Member's Steam ID: --- Information: Since the main post Matsi is a crazy disorganized mess, this will be the official +1 / -1 thread. Cast your vote here, argue it in the other thread. Please only comment either +1 -1 in this thread, nothing else. Thank you. KEEP IN MIND: This is NOT a ban vote. This is a vote strictly for membership and staff.

OK. let's get started. First and foremost, I do not condone this thread at all. My major reason for that is that almost every single person posting in here giving a +1 has instigated so many different issues with matsi and in fact almost all the instances you use as proof (not counting the countdown thread by vector) are all started by you guys posting something derogatory, demeaning, rude, and just plain un-necessary towards matsi. Exhibit A: Phoenix made a moderator submission, matsi simply posted a quote of the appropriately deemed requirements to create one and said that it should be closed due to not meeting the requirements, instantly owl, vector, and various other staff members of CS:GO posted rude and hateful things basically telling matsi to fuck off. Meanwhile you turn around to Diversion's mod submission and owl posts that and demands a close and literally throws a hissy fit about when I re-open it even going to the point of insulting my ability as a DM. Secondly, just going to get this out of the way before I forget it, but this is a semi-unrelated note: Snackbar, you're a great guy and all but you need to chill the fuck out. You're doing great trying to help and all and it really is appreciated by me, but you're taking things too fast. You banned him on teamspeak "for shits and giggles all in good fun" you don't do that to someone unless you are good friends with them. You push all these rule changes that are discussed by you and 2 others that agree with you at 3am in teamspeak, with no regard for a discussion prior to making it official without messaging the rest of the higher ups in the division as well as those rules push away from the unified set of rules that we tried very hard to make happen. yes game specific rules will be division specific but now you are making a steam name global rule a division specific thing, going so far as to try and control what people make their steam name "must be a name you are easily recognized as such as your forum name or a name you frequently use" if I decide I wanted to go by AlphaOmega tonight nobody would recognize me at first, as well as if asked I would present my forum name. Next, there is a blatant exclusion of communication the very opposite is happening in regards to that which @Rhododendron was all for trying to eliminate and then he too becomes guilty of his old habit of talking to one person about something and making a change: I have not once been messaged by snackbar with who he wants to promote/demote since he was given the opportunity as DM, nor has he responded to my private message I made with him and bleed specifically for discussing between us promo demo and other future changes we would be considering doing (obviously they would then be brought into a discussion on the csgo forums). even now going so far as to post promo/demo at 3am because he wants to do it when it is a CL job, and he creates his own promo/demo without consult. the reason it is a CL job is because they can then cross check it. when you post it, there is no going back on it. while I agree the whole set of CS:GO staff right now is good at their job, I can tell you for a god damn fact a couple people got promoted because they are your friends while you wouldnt consider some others because you aren't friends and always talking even though they are just as deserving of staff. Third, there was supposedly a discussion between tf2 higher ups, csgo higher ups, and silence. I was not included so it clearly did not include all csgo higher ups, bleed probably wasnt, and since when do we banish someone from a division? no. if you really dont like the guy, just fucking ignore him. Beastiality is not a federal law, it may be a state law, but we have to go by federal since that is the do all tell all for anyone in the US as a US based community if you want to bring "felonies" into it. tarin sexually idolized and sent dick pics to a 14 year old boy which has been presented proof of, that is a federal felony. Beastiality is not a felony according to federal law, and as such could not be used. infact if you wanted to use some state laws, there are some that limit what you can and cannot have sex with, as stated by matsi florida it has to be bigger than a porcupine. No he should not be saying these things in public but it is his life and his sexual interests, they dont do anything to you, I could see a abuse report for conduct unbecoming of a staff member as that is immature and not the "better" thing to be doing, and I would gladly give a + 1 to that, but a removal of member? no. wanting him to be permanently banned? absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, I am not friends with the guy, even if I was like with the vector case, I fought for iggy too and I am not afraid to turn around and ban a friend when they fuck up. See: rabid and vector having numerous bans from me. forum and game and teamspeak. But if you want to do something to this scale then there better be a legitimate reason, which is why when snackbar said he was thinking about posting one I told him I would give it a - 1 and that I believed it would be incorrect to post in the first place for some of the reasons listed above. after you get time to read over this and simmer, I will post a follow up to any questions/legitimate posts in response to this. I will also be closing the "Companion Thread" as this is not a "majority vote" kind of thing, this is a CL decision and they will make it by going over all the statements and evidence provided in the thread, I will not be deleting that thread like I should until after the resolution of this issue is met, If you cannot give a reason to your vouch, then you shouldn't be posting it anyway, as well as periodically as I fade in and out of being home because of my life and shit, I will be going through this and deleting useless/stupid posts. please refrain from posting multiple times because you are debating with multiple people as well as try to be as clear as possible in your posts. just to re-iterate, snackbar you need to chill out a bit and take a step back. everyone posting needs to make legitimate posts legitimately debating and give a reason behind a vouch. if you want to use laws as a form of back up, use federal and not state laws. and everyone should probably take a day away from this thread before they post anything else to give time for their minds to settle, psychologically you guys are too into the hype of a new thread getting so big and everyone should chill out.

I am pretty sure if I'd tell you "Hey Matsi, I got this nice ass blow job yesterday and accidently even swallowed!" even you, master of the English language, might think I am not talking about a drink.

"I think bestiality is ok" saying this isn't okay. tarin 3.0 baby

Woah this is crazy to wake up to. But yeah, his attitude lately has been too much. He's become a shit starter and it's been over the top for a while. I honestly don't have a problem with him being a furry, I've met cool furries and play DayZ with some (none of you chumps play with me). It's not even the alleged animal abuse I really have a problem with( it's alleged and this is the internet, so he's probably exaggerated things). But telling people around our servers and teamspeak about this stuff is innapropriate. Matsi's an adult and should know better. It makes us look bad to any random that comes on. Side note tell the DMs and DLs, not Silence. He doesn't have time and staff from that division could do the job just fine. Also @Matsi stay away from cs:go. They obviously don't want you there. It's kind of immature on both sides but going there won't lead to anything but more issues.

Look im not a member anymore but Matsi is the type of person that we shouldn't allow in xG. Not just because he is a furry or anything. Not because he is way too fucking personal about his fetishes in sex life (these really damn support this protest though). But because almost every single time I've seen him on the forums or servers he is abusing or being an immature and pretentious ass. I think the exploit thread was an amazing example. I tried to politely reassure other members that the exploit was only found on older versions of source (like older games) and Matsi replied to me and others rudely calling us gullible and stupid and such (even though we were just trying to be safe.) He also ignorantly denied these exploit claims even though there was an entire source reddit thread by an OFFICIAL steam spokesperson was made talking about the exploit. He repeatedly and immaturely insulted the people in the thread by saying they were stupid and gullible and arrogantly said things like "im too smart to get hacked hur durr." He doesn't think before he speaks, and this is evident when he talks about his weird dog fetishes and blowjob experiences, and when he is sassy and rude in threads

tbh I've put some thought into this. Imma subtract my -1 because i don't hold grudges.wish you luck in getting back in, lets have a better run together this time :)

Some people posting in this thread it seems aren't realizing that this isn't solely based on the multitude of inappropriate comments, a lot of this is just based on how he acts towards other xG members, which (as has been shown in the past...) is enough to get people kicked out of xG or even banned. Any animal abuse issues aside- Essentially every interaction I've had/seen with matsi (admittedly not as much as some other people here, but enough I feel to get a good idea of him), he seems to be a generally immature individual. There's not too much more I have to say about him that hasn't already been expanded on by other people, but for the people asking for proof, what proof do you want? If you're referring to inappropriate comments, enough proof has already been provided. If you're referring to proof that many people in xG dislike him and think he's immature, that's the point of everyone posting in this thread.

Ok but I don't get the "SHOW US PROOF" logic when we're talking about how we don't want a person to be a part of this community, I can just +1 and say he is annoying and needs to leave the community. And I don't see why his membership shouldn't be removed if more a certain amount of people want him gone regardless of any "proof" shown

it's not just a single instance but it's one. Saying you stroke a dog should be no where near the community? Trying to say it's only one instance is complete ignorance and that it's a pattern. We have given him more than once chance and it's not just ONE instance. That's completely ridiculous. Really? Because saying something disrespectful can also get you get kicked out. but since it's a combination of a few things then yes it would totally warrent a member protest We have a number of furries in this group that are perfectly fine. They understand that many aren't comfrotable for the things they like but that doesn't stop them for liking shit. The fact they have the control, just like everyone one with a fetish is one thing. What are you talking about? many thought it was disgusting and many people were outraged, including my self that nothing of it came about? Do you really think that we thought something so disgusting was funny? That is incredibly offensive. What about rabid who brought it up? What about my comment about disgusting it was? We just thought it was "funny?" you mean him giving extensive and very detailed blow job histories? How can you think that's okay and doesn't hold merrit? Are you kidding me? many people in the shout box were very uneasy about and didn't find it comfortable. and i have complained about to people all the time but decided to put it in one single member protest and many have complained about before. The suggestive nature of the avatar is obvious but no one did anything so now we have a formal complaint. uh what? if there is evidence of misconduct that would leave people to believe that he is disliked than that more than warrants a member protest/ban request. just using the excuse "U JUST DUN LIEK HIM" Is completely dumb, there has to be reason for the dislike and of misconduct which has been provided. this is the most ignorant comment you made. all of these acts and disgusting comments have NO place in a gaming community? We have told him multiple times to knock it off and continues to make these sort of remarks, I have many furry friends and acting as if i only make this thread is because he's just a furry is incredibly ignorant and so judging people for feeling so uncomfortable for his comments is actually disgusting.

(insert obligatory "why did you leave in the first place if you intended on coming back to begin with. Could have just said you were taking a break." rant)

This was REALLY looking like a vector thread, but he quickly decided to turn friendly and explain his actions. (All the while some people misunderstand that he's being banned. He's not. We just don't want him representing us) I mean, sure. I don't really have many (more like, ANY) good memories with Matsi in the long time I've been here with him. Mainly because almost every time I see him he's either complaining, putting somebody down for some mistakes or being rather disgusting with posts in shoutbox. Now I know that almost nobody has actually told him to "stopp plzzz ur offending my religionn" but you would have guessed that he'd take a hint to stop talking about vulgar stories by peoples reactions? If he decides to actually change for the better, he can actually be a good guy. When he does things seriously, it goes very well, but anything else is a negative. And again, if he decides to change a bit, I will change my vouch. Or change my opinion on you, depending on whether or not you get kicked out before this happens. Also, cut it out with the :) :P posts constantly. It honestly doesn't make you look smarter, nicer or whatever you expect it to do. That's one (minor, with a big effect) reason I personally do not want you around. AND again, from most of my experiences with you on CSGO since it came up, if you would kindly not backseat moderate to try and get a rank, that would be most enjoyable.

Had multiple people tell me he was massing, He's CT Banned for one week. Was a call admin report so I did as I did. At least it wasnt perm :^)

I'm gonna get shot for saying this. I got nothing personal against @Matsi the worst I seen before the whole dog jacking thing was him having a fight with @Hachi on our servers. I do think he should keep this shit away from our servers but as far as I know he never talked about jacking off dogs on anything besides Teamspeak/Forums. The whole Blowjob Booze thing is Disgusting yes but worse things have been said but others on the Forums and Teamspeak as well. This is very similar to the many times the TF2 division attempted to get Vector Permed, With the lack proof but the majority still wanting him gone. And look Vector is still here and the most he got was a 6 month ban. If that does not sway you and you still believe he should be permed then we should run around perming more people then just Matsi for shit like this. On the subject of it being a Federal Crime Matsi is in fact correct it's not a Federal Crime in the USA. Yes it's something he should not talk about in front of others however he only brought up the dog when Rabid asked can you fuck wolves. It's for these reasons I feel he should not be Permed and he should not have his membership revoked. The most i would approve of is a small ban if everyone really REALLY can't handle him. I'm ready to be hanged now.

+1 im sorry matsi, this is pretty messed up

I honestly wanna hear the other higher-ups' opinions on this along with @Matsi 's defense before any action is taken @Nomulous @Rhododendron @kbraszzz @Chrono @Bleed @metalslug53 @Ohstopyou

No one leaves this place forever... 2013 squad Welcome back +1 A: 8/10 M: 8/10

I didnt dumb a god damn thing down, this thread is open and the other one encourages the use of it to explain yourself. Thats why the other thread is a COMPANION thread. To separate the votes while still providing a platform to explain them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a member protest would result in removal of membership of the said person, not a perma ban from all of xG If not what is the purpose of ban requests?

The general defense here is to ask him to stop doing so. WE HAVE. MULTIPLE TIMES. OVER AND OVER AND OVER. HE IS OUT OF CHANCES. HE HAS BLOWN EVERY WARNING, REPRIMAND, TIME OUT, AND TOLERANT MOMENT WE HAVE OFFERED HIM WHICH HAS LED TO THE MAKING OF THIS POST. NO I WILL NOT ABIDE ANOTHER CHANCE, NO I WILL NOT FORGIVE HIM HOW MAY MORE FEKING CHANCES DOES HE GET???

You are correct, saying something disrespectful can get you kicked out, but what he said wasn't disrespectful, it was just gross. About the thread, some people might have thought it was disguting, but absolutely no one took any action against the members. HERES THE KEY THING YOU KEEP MISSING. I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESNT DESERVE TO GET DEMOTED, IM SAYING YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PROOF TO JUSTIFY THIS. You have to provide the proof that he has always made these sort of remarks, and that he hasnt stopped after warning. From my experience, I haven't really expereinced him expressing a lot of furry stuff even while I dont try to avoid him.

Alright, figured this was coming eventually. First off, @Matsi im not really sure why you continue to say stuff like that.. you gotta understand this is a gaming community and has people of all ages. Nobody should be subjected to the sexually explicit talk like that, especially in shoutbox where it is public. Its just not a good decision, and not really sure why you keep doing it. Secondly, why are we banning getting rid of someone for something they said, with the excuse that its a felony? Way to bring up a scenario from before Jesus was born. There's no proof of it, other than what was written, not enough to truly say it really happened. Yes, I understand it was vulgar and may not be something anyone thinks is ok, but lets move the fuck on. Now I haven't been around Matsi a lot anymore, which may make my opinion a little skewed, but he actually is a really good addition to xG when you ignore the vulgar language. Nobody has posted more ban protests, which in reality make TF2 a much better place. Bringing his use of power doesn't matter here either, as we are looking at a member protest, not an abuse report. Remember that we are essentially looking to perm ban matsi from all of xG, way different than removing powers and requires a good amount of reasoning behind it. Let me ask you all a serious question then: If Matsi stops with the vulgar talk, can you all survive with him still being around? I'm genuinely interested in answers to that, a simply yes or no with explanation will suffice; don't assume this is what will happen to him either.

If you are a generally miserable entity from within the clan itself, are over 18 and direct the comment to someone under 18, then yes- because its not the sexual content were worried about, as much as the glorification of a perverse felonious act. over 18 saying they want to finger bang an over 18 year old is legal. If you said you fingerbanged a dog (Animal cruelty, felony sexual perversion), or you were 18 and said you wanted to fingerbang a 14 year old, hell yes ill cut against the grain. weve done it before See: Tarin

Tbh I've always found Matsi a little annoying as a member, and pretty damn useless as an admin/mod (since I've barely seen him doing anything other than abusing the shit out of his powers) but what started bothering me the most was him talking about all the sexual relations he would like to (and did) have with animals and his blowjob experiences. I'd never have a problem with those either if he didn't go out on the forums and tell everyone about it for no reason and make a lot of people uncomfortable, so I'm giving this my +1 (dunno if my vouch is valid but nonetheless it surely will be if my app gets accepted)

+1 matsi needs to change his attitude, no need to be posting about stroking dogs off or giving a blowjob. this is supposed to be a pg13 even if we dont accept members under 16. we still have children looking at the website and they dont need to see this kinda thing.

You literally just left.... either way -1 I give people the chance to become better, but you just left and I doubt its changed you much since then. You're probe still active, but your maturity is lacking, Guessing you'll rate this funny like the rest of my posts huh? its always fun to troll someone on forums correct? A: 7 M: 2 (on forums)

@Chrono - i didnt start this thread nor did i have any idea vector was posting this. I added to it. this thread isnt about me, nor is this the place or time to air any dirty laundry- if you dont like how ive been doing things, make a post in the admin forums and we can discuss it there. I dont really feel how its secifically my fault that youre not as active as you used to be and i dont think it fair to tell me to "slow down". Loads of these ideas arent mine and mine alone so you should include bleed silence and lithium if youre upset about the changes around here. I dont know what makes you think im making all kinds of decisions soley on my own when im not- its really ufair.

Vote changed to neutral on removal of membership. Still deciding on removal of staff position.

+1 Harassed @Origins Never forgetti. Forever missed. RIP Origins. Also from gobble gobble land. A: 7/10 M: 7/10

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You don't get permed through a member protest, but in this case (and with people comparing it to past cases) Matsi will most likely be permed. And when you look at it, removing his membership will almost likely end in him leaving xG completely. Just saying in this case we need to make sure there are enough issues with proof to warrant removal of everything. Mostly mentioned this because people brought up his mod/admin abuse, something completely different.

This is exactly the problem. Think of it like a bad relationship. Sure you may have good moments but more often than not something is wrong between the 2 people. But yes if he stops talking about all that gross stuff than I would probably be fine having him on here. BUT if I had the absolute decision he probably never would have joined. Call me a bigot all you want but furries are still revolting.

so if i say imma finger bang a girl i should not be a member of xg?

that pretty much sums it up- +1

tagging @Matsi so he can defend himself.

+1 haven't really seen him but judging by this thread seems to be a cool guy A: 8/10 M: 9/10

Just popping in. He's getting banned for 3 days. I already spent an hour on the server talking to him because he was spamming the chat for Lavender town to be added back. He fought with me for an hour, saying I was bullying him and favoriting xG members, when I literally did not punish him. However, I gave him an ultimatum. If he was caught spamming again, he was getting banned. This is the 3rd time he has been spoken to, not to mention the numerous other times he was spamming and left. TL;DR - Repeat offender that spams often. Staff has had to talk to him 3+ times. Is not changing. Banned for 3 days. P.S. - He asked to be banned ;)

+1 we need more old people a: 8/10 m: 10/10

Offender is Permed -Closed