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My opinion on that still hasn't changed. I think egossi would be a good staff member, but giving him admin immediately is unfair to all the mods that have been trying to work their way up for quite a while already.

Ehhhhhhhh.. Not going to spend time digging too deep into it, just going to throw in my 2-cents. Though first and foremost, this is based off of assumptions and is to be treated as a general response to any situation like this so, you know.. Please refrain from biting my head off, kthnx :coffee: I just want to toss a [very] relevant comment in here that I made in another thread (one that I can't be bothered to find) in that Staff positions should not be treated as some sort of welcome basket to those who have consistently stepped-down. While I'm sure many people may dish out the "we can just demote 'em" defense if things go awry, I'm simply appealing to the integrity of Xeno Gamers as a whole. However, this isn't to say that someone should not be welcomed back with an immediate promotion from Member to Administrator [for example] because, as others have previously mentioned, it is a case-by-case situation. If the user has demonstrated qualities that shine in that position, or if they do not have a bad-track record, then I see no reason not to give them that promotion. With that said, there are two sides to this coin: 1. There is little to no harm in promoting someone with a high turn-over rate who has an extraordinary track record, aside from having to assign powers once more. Because we run on a system of voluntary Staff, it doesn't [detrimentally] hurt us to allow someone to moderate for xG if we know they will do a stellar job, even if they consistently step down. While this may seem 'unfair' to those who are applying and are denied, keep in mind that Staff are measured by their qualities and work ethics (or at least should be; strongly recommend castrating any Higher-Up who is acting on bias) so it is to be expected that varying Staff will not be on the same level (eg. Someone who already has experience in the position will always receive [or be considered first for] the position before a new-hire). The only foreseeable problem area here is that if this trend continues, we'll see an influx in Staff who do not feel obligated to perform their duties and therefore feel free to step-down and then re-apply when it is most convenient for them if they are a model Staff Member. In other words, this may only be a problem depending on what the standards are for Staff here in terms of the short or long run. With the way we currently have things set up in terms of activity, we're set up to keep Staff in the long run, and so this should be considered before promoting someone from Member to Administrator (enacting a new policy that those applying from Member to a position that is greater than Moderator be monitored for X amount of days before promotion would also be beneficial). Activity [from at least one week prior to the submission of the application] is the gold-standard here at xG, so before promoting anyone into a position beyond Moderator, it really ought to be considered. 2. Arguably, and structurally less important, is the harm done to the integrity of our Staff. To promote anyone [who has consistently stepped down due to loss of interest, etc] from Member to anything greater than Moderator demonstrates that they don't really have to invest as much time as they can into moderating. And before an argument is made about this, consider that to say otherwise would mean to dismiss any previous notions that the user has stepped down for frivolous reasons that do not include their personal life in some shape or form. Personally and honestly, this would have a sway in my decision on whether someone deserves that position, or if they need to prove themselves by working for it from a Moderator position. Needless to say that all of this is subjective and varies from person to person. As always, take this with a grain of salt. TL;DR - Don't hand out promotions from Member to above-Moderator to those who consistently step down (due to lack of interest, etc) unless you want to make a change to how activity works. Otherwise, you're practically creating a new position for inactive Staff.

Dear [@Tatost]! It would seem like your post had little to no meaning. If you are going to vouch for someone on a moderator submission, be sure to actually substantiate your vouch! Tips on how to improve posts on the forums: Re-read our guidelines: Moderator Submission Rules! | Xeno Gamers Check your post: Are you actually talking about the person and how he would be fit for staff or are you just blatantly posting meaningless stuff? Ask your teachers on how to make your comments more elaborate. Thanks for reading! Hope you do better next time ;).

I think you were good at your job but I remember you were inactive every single promo/demo apart from at most two since you got DM. Even the same promo/demo you got DM you had about 10 hours and the requirement was ≈18. Your hours are I think 18 now which is obviously high enough for staff but because you were incapable of activity I don't think skipping straight to admin is the right option personally. I think after you have proven to us you can keep a consistent activity for at least a month you should be promoted to admin from moderator. -1 For admin instantly but +1 for moderator. I have little doubt that you won't earn admin since you were good at your job but I think that you need to prove that you can stay active. Good luck (y)

Title of your thread should only be the full name of the game (If it's early access, add that beside the title with [ ] ) Example: The Forest [Early Access] Game Name: Platform: Time Spent: (A rough estimate is fine if the game doesn't track it) Do you recommend? Y/N What you rate the game: (1 to 10) Initial Thoughts: Pros: (At least 2 reasons) Cons: (At least 2 reasons) Final Thoughts: =-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= So this is the format as-is for the review, and I'd love to see some expansion on the sections of this. I mean, there isn't a section which specifically asks to describe the game (both gameplay and storyline). If not new sections such as "Overview of Gameplay:" or "Brief description of Storyline:", then I'd at least like to see a sentence which says something like "Don't forget to describe the gameplay and storyline of the game!" If anyone has any other ideas for new "sections" for reviews in for formate, go ahead and post! P.S. Sorry about the delayed review of Metroid 2 @Aegean, I've had some issues getting it to work and I've been busy with my new job. I hope for it to be finished on Sunday.

Im stuck on mobile for the next few weeks and the ratings bar is limited to only a few ratings: Sad, RIP, Winner, Informative, Friendly, Useful, and Optimistic. If we could make it a little more mobile friendly that would be super swell(y)

"TL;DR - Don't hand out promotions from Member to above-Moderator to those who consistently step down (due to lack of interest, etc) unless you want to make a change to how activity works. Otherwise, you're practically creating a new position for inactive Staff." -@Forest (backspaced too far for formatting, too lazy to redo) This thread has obviously moved past my mostly joking statement, so I just want to say that 1. My vouch still stands for whichever position, mod/admin/no promotion(rekt boio) the higher ups decide most fit. 2. My specific exit from DM was a situation whefe I was told by my DL that I was being demoted to admin, and since my activity issues and life stuff that made it hard to DM were still there, I just stepped down all the way. Not sure if this would affect my re-application differently than @Egossi 's situation, I just wanted to point out for the purpose of full disclosure that our situations were different. 3. As to what forest said, I've long thought a separate admin-adjacent position (vote powers, though most that would qualify are uber donators so probably a non issue) for longtime staff that either step down/reapply alot, or might not be very active but are 100% trustworthy of the position. This position would be outside of the normal ladder and could only be added/removed/vouched for by Dm/DL/CM's. It would be harder to gain, with much laxer standards to maintain the position(besides abuse rules still applying equally obviously) just a thought, some variation could work.

Good call. All the TGH regulars have the clap, if not worse. Wash your hands before and after you click join and you MIGHT be safe.

This is beyond dumb. That's like making a manager apply for a basic minimum wage job and climb back up to manager position. This is just common sense. Egossi isn't a special case. He has experience in staff, hence why he is applying for admin. Anyone else who was a good admin+ should be able to apply for said I'm sorry, my friend, but Egossi's application shouldn't affect other mods trying to get admin or higher. If everyone just started applying for admin, then I could see where this statement is coming from. Egossi is fit for the position as admin. He's been staff plenty of times. I think it's obvious that he's capable. +1 To those saying it's not fair, it is actually fair; he has the experience that will give him the edge.

You don't have to be a moderator first, it's just the norm because most people that get promoted from member have never been staff here before. I could go back and find all the promo demos if you want, but to list a few: Duckii from non member to Co Leader (all of Vintage JB from non member to admin/dm/dl when we mergarood) Trollface/Syn from member to Admin to DL

There are many things wrong eith yhis application. First, I'd like to point out while you were staff before that doesn't mean you deserve special treatment and skip moderator. Also, saying that anyone who disagrees with your logic if unfit for admin is very immature. -1

I always do at least two tours every monday and was wondering if i could get anyone else to join me and Elcark Any tour counts are welcome

Don't think me harsh or anything, there's just some confusion and missing info I wanted to fill in: Steam ID is broken, here's his: STEAM_0:1:204782704 So you mean you've been playing since three months ago? You have only five hours in-game. Player Information | Xeno Gamers

I was wondering if it would be possible to pair it with a video review as well. Just have the written one as a transcript, basically. Also, if we could add the little "Accepted" or "Denied" tags to the reviews but instead have it say like "Joke", since I really want to do a few joke reviews here. Unless of course you only want legit reviews and not goofs and spoofs.

The ratings bar is still cut off.

Egossi is an extraordinarily outstanding person. From what I heard he was an awesome staff member in the past. I understand that him applying for Admin and skipping Moderator is unfair to most. My application had been open for 2 promo/demos and I still hardly think I deserve prob mod with my pc problem. But anyways, back to my reason to agree on the skipping moderator. A majority of the people here know him from being staff, a lot, but not all say that he was awesome. When I talk to him, he has the personality of someone who can take charge, isn't afraid to be shot down, all while not being a dick. He is a fun person to talk to and loves playing with other people. This man is the kind of person that deserves to skip moderator. Egossi, you are an awesome person and I really hope that you get this. Best of luck. +1

Bello confronted you as well just before you stepped down and he even agreed with me and wanted to tell you to become more active but he struggled to tell you because you guys are like best friends. I know you weren't active because I was monitoring your activity because you were promoted to DM below the minimum activity for staff at the time. Here's a link to the thread: Promotions And Demotions #163 | Xeno Gamers You need to prove to us you can stay active because you definitely weren't when you were staff as proven, so I want to see that you can be active as moderator and prove that you can be trusted to stay active and once you've proved it after at least one month then you should get admin. That's all

Again, my point is that the rule for activity was that staff activity adequecy was determined by higher ups, and at the time, rejects did warn me out of nowhere which i argued with him about since it was so sudden and he seemed to be the only person who thought I wasn't active enough from the whole team of higher ups at the time. I was considered generally at the time to be active enough by other higher ups, which is what mattered, whether you agreed with that or not. At least in technicality I was active enough for all promo/demos other than the one I was promoted to DM in, unrelated to you/ me agreeing or disagreeing with that. I also disagree that trustworthyness has anything to do with my activity, it would have to do with abuse/instability if I had shown any, however. At the end of the day I do see where the argument is coming from, but since I have been active at least from day to day on our tf2 servers, and literally every single day on our teamspeak server (mostly with higher ups who have +1'd or aproved of this thread), it is unnecessary to waste time and keep me in a lower position than I have very much recently proven to be capable of holding. And in terms of "unfairness" I do not understand why it is acted as if we have a limit of the maximum amount of players we can have holding the Administrator position, just promote ALL the people who deserve the position at once and the problem is solved in every single way imaginable, I don't see why it's such a problem that I am applying for Admin directly

That came off wrong, I meant it in the sense that given that he's been staff several times before, then he should wait a bit. That should stand true for anyone that is reapplying after leaving in my opinion. Sorry if that came off a bit hostile, just thought of how I put that.

I suppose ^ already spoke, with it being a case-by-case basis with this sort of context, and I don't mean to drag it on, but to add an extra voice: Skipping mod just means you're capable, trusted, and in most cases already well experienced. Which he is. As far as I know, and in my opinion, it does not, and should not involve a case of 'fairness' when you've already done the same job (or more) for the same group that you're re-applying to unless there's a strict nonmember->member->mod->admin->etc rule*, or if you've had some nasty interactions which got you... 'out of the job' in the first place. ...I guess that was just another way of putting what other people said. Why do i write this stuff? *This would probably have torn this place apart already.

Stuff like this should always be a case by case basis, I have no issue if he does start as mod and works his way up, but since he stepped down from DM, I think it would be fine due to his previous experience. Once again, I am indifferent either way, and am fine with letting the TF2 staff decide, it's just my two cents.

+1 I really don't feel that I have to explain any reasoning behind why I vouched what I vouched. It's Egossi, of course it will be a +1. Honestly, wished you would of applied for DM again though. ;p

Ironically I stood up so I can calm myself before I threw the mouse at it.

Ayyy +1 deserves it and will do a fine job, but real talk if Bach and I had to be mod when we reapplied (except that one really, really stupid time) you gotta be mod or I'm specifically going to whine to @Bello a moderate amount, and probably start conspiracy theories of flavoritism. Only half jk ;)

Ya boi egossi coming back? Hell yes to this. Amazing dm before. Kept up the most popular servers in the summer running smoothly, great at improving and helping out this community, funny, mature guy, and active guy and most of all he's got that mom's spaghetti fresh and ready to go. +1 #mom's spaghetti

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I was playing some cs:go comp and went to stand up and my laptop fell. Cracking the screen to the point of being unusable. Needless to say I am going to best buy tommorow to see if it can be repaired. Just letting you all know I will be inactive. Due to this. If you need, I will have photo evidence to provide to show I am not bullshitting. @Bello @Vexx @Sesh @mrnutty12

I was one of the higher ups back then and I wasn't confronted by a single higher up other than Rejects, who confronted me at one of my most active times. I will highlight this one because you are ignoring my point which I have re-stated multiple times now, whether you think I was active enough or not did not matter at the time, I was considered to be generally active enough, and it is irrelevant now since I am active now, I really don't see why you think this is a valid reason to determine whether I should go up to admin or have to start from mod, I will have the same amount of activity whether I am promoted to admin or mod anyway, and you are saying I am trusted enough to be given the powers of admin, so why does it matter whether I am admin or mod for this case? I am asking because I really don't understand

It was still way too low. 5 hours is not enough and I'm sure all of the higherups back then and even now would agree with me

Yeah I'm struggling to even get on my PC anymore. I started trying to connect at 4pm. It is now 12:11am and I finally got on Expect inactivity but I'll still try as hard as I can to get on @Bello @mrnutty12 @Vexx @Sesh

Heh. R I P.

hi Frusty is a hermit l0l. He's an OK dude I just like to poop on him when he market gardens. +1 (and yes I can vouch)

Frusty is active and he knows the rules well enough to be a staff member. He was an old regular and shouldn't be stupid as he has been part of the clan for years now.

Division: Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name: Egossi Identity: Already in sourcebans Position: Administrator Time Active: Around 1000+ hours in total Age: 16 Experience: Ran as a manager of the tf2 division for a while, still an active moderator of the steam group Donated: Yes Information: You all know me and I havent gone too inactive on our TF2 servers since I stepped down anyway, so I believe I don't need to say much here, other than the fact that I wish to run for TF2 staff again seeing that jailbreak is regaining it's population and some of it's old regulars along with new ones. And yes this is a direct application for the Administrator position, I know that some might argue that I should "work my way up again" which I find to be a pointless argument, since staff membership is not based on taking turns, but certainly is based on reliability and trustability of our regular members. Other than that, feel free to let me know what you think down below.

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