Elcark

I do really agree with what @Tekk had to mention. Septik's proneness to anger was a major concern of mine when considering him for staff ages ago and an issue I really doubt would ever totally go away. Despite that, I still trusted him enough to promote him. I don't think he's ever actually caused any major issues because of it and even though he has lashed out in the past I do think he's level headed enough to keep himself in check. It's something he needs to be self aware about but so long as he is then he should be capable of stopping himself from misbehaving and thinking twice as a staff member. 

This isn't really a plus one, but I think, despite his temper, it's worth giving him a chance. 

This kid is way too underage, kick him out.

I didn't meet Meaty that long ago but he has left one hell of a good impression. He is surprisingly mature for being 9 years old and especially for being in xG. I'm not really certain how he'd perform in more stressful situations but am certain he'd keep his cool and get help as opposed to caving. Good memer and takes banter really well.

+1

Just unban him.

I really do understand wanting to get a hand wave from someone higher up before doing something you're unsure of but this really is supposed to be your guy's decision to make @hongkongatron @DiaperHyperWolf. You wouldn't have the positions you do if they didn't trust you to act independently. Even then, you'd have to be pretty new around here to assume aegean wouldn't be fine with this or to not have seen people get unbanned out of basic forgiveness after long time periods before.

Just a few quick examples if you're really still unsure yourselves-

https://xenogamers.com/topic/24386-coolduck/#

https://xenogamers.com/topic/22901-gamepony-team-fortress-2/

https://xenogamers.com/topic/24463-cliimate/

Don't forget a spare pair of stockings.
That's definitely not a bad approach though, even with shit being dead getting school out of the way is a much better life achievement than this. Sure is going to be even quieter without you though.

Good luck and thanks for all the memes

Do you mean overall for csgo or just xG? Anything server-wise for xG is effectively "dead" (except maybe minecraft lol). Discord is the place to go to find any activity and what people are up to these days around here. 

9 hours ago, Forest said:

Absolutely not (god I hope people view this in Light mode)

Activity feed shows the whole message sadly.

Is there seriously still no dark theme though?

Lol

23 minutes ago, Tatost said:

Like I said earlier, MGE makes literally no sense at all. Every single fucking MGE server is the same, there's literally nothing keeping people on the server. Usually, communities will only pay for servers that actually benefit them, or will at some point in the future. People can do MGE literally anywhere they want. MGE is probably the worst possible route available, it's actually just a waste of money.

0 individuality + 0 people being attracted to our community = good choice, I guess.

*not to mention people saying "MGE me" isn't literally every ten minutes. They usually only stick around for 1-2 games and then, what do you know, the server will die again.

If lacking a substantial amount of people on the server was reason to not have one running then a good number of ours would be put down. 

If anything the fact that people will just wander in and out of any mge server actually could work in it's favor in comparison to the other options. All three are niche (or a niche inside of a niche for skill surf) but when it comes to jump and skill surf people are going to be more inclined to find an established and populated server which makes it much more important for those ones to have a lot of support backing them to reach that level of appeal. Since they are both currently getting less support by the community then mge, which numerically isn't getting an incredible amount of support itself, that's not very likely to happen. At that rate it's probably better to go with a server that even if it isn't going to help the community grow people that have shown interest can still get some use out of and will likely have more random players passing by then another dead server that didn't have a sustainable population to deal with competition. 

Of course a lot of these issues could be ignored entirely by running any and all or these through the gamemode rotation server while actually having a chance at improving that server along the way.

@Red @DepressedNeonNepp Seriously, both of you, kiss and make up. Congratulations, you've both acted like pricks to each other and continue to for that reason. With how unbridled both of you have been it doesn't make a lick of a difference who started what or said that, all that matters now is who decides to actually be the bigger man and just stop vs who keeps up this unsavory pettiness. 

Just now, DepressedNeonNepp said:

Saying good  riddance when he barely knows me. What a shit reason to say fuck you.

Meeting rudeness with more rudeness. You're not exactly orchestrating the best cycle there. @Topaz has the concept pretty spot on and while I'd say people were a bit overboard with jumping on your actions, it wasn't meant with the intent to beat you down, but just the consequences of what happened. It was a situation to take a step back and learn from, but how you've chosen to retaliate here doesn't exactly scream personal improvement. 

48 minutes ago, Red said:

I don't know where you got that from this happened after the day i met rogueport.

It was the day where sorcerer returned to tgh. He was using his mic most of the time and when me and @bags werwere playing scout just dming people i killed sorcerer multiple time until he killed me with crit than would begin to shit talk me and bags and began praising wave and thats when we called him wave dick rider or massive wave fan. I never solely went after him at the start, he's the one to start most of his problem but it seems like your making me one to just start random beef with whom i chose. He's constant troll and love to annoy or egg people into reaction which i would find out the day on where we both got into a petty argument.

That statement was directed at @SegFault since he believed your remarks towards sorcerer were solely rested on the situation sorcerer himself caused which makes sense considering seg was only involved after that point. The examples of how you acted to him in the snippets above though occurred well before that is what was being explained. 

Ultimately though whatever reason you may have had to initially dislike him doesn't formulate an excuse to act distastefully in retort any more then excusing it within the lines of "I broke a rule cause he broke a rule".
With what @Chrono tacked on with your behavior on the forums and how that example itself being entirely unprovoked it makes it hard to heartily trust that your actions haven't been mostly abrasive towards others, taking back to the second situation with luxuria it's hard to accept you weren't targeting him in any way when you harked back on that specific situation in a fairly horrendous way.   I do appreciate how you've come forward about all of this but there's sadly no reasoning this kind of behavior. 

46 minutes ago, hongkongatron said:

-1 for revocation of member/perm.

Everyone was in the wrong here, but only red has had the guts to actually admit it and take responsibility for his actions. 

How in the hell does owning up after being outed measure up to taking responsibility? While there's situations that he isn't the only person acting poorly to say that's been the case every time in this month long situation is an ignorant stretch. 

38 minutes ago, hongkongatron said:

Notice how the chatlogs only highlight the worst of only what he’s said to paint an untrue picture rather than the entire convo to highlight others’ faults. It’s just cherrypicking at best. 

Do you understand the purpose of highlighting at all? The chatlogs are available to anyone if you'd like to poke through and defend the things he has said instead of just leaving a passive remark to the validity of him very clearly acting in ways against the rules. A lot of what involved the actions of other people has already been discussed at this point and even in the cases, as already stated, he wasn't the only person acting poorly that doesn't mean that he wasn't still acting poorly nonetheless. 

10 minutes ago, MJP said:

 

That doesn’t matter though. If he’s on an alternate account who cares, no rule says you can’t pupulate XG with a different profile than what your cosmetics are. If he isn’t using scripts to get an advantage (which spinning in place is not an advantage it’s a tool used in games like cs to stay in a game if you gotta take a shit or go eat) then it doesn’t matter.

Now I'm taking this part entirely second hand but I BELIEVE the point of it is that he is effectively trying to purposefully trick and distract staff into suspecting him of cheating, not that he actually is in any manner. In other words an in server variant of a troll calladmin. Now whether this was his intent (I'd honestly assume not) or if it was actually to any extent that would demand valid suspicion from staff compared to obvious joking around, I can't say myself, but that's just explaining why his usage of an alt was being gone into. 

2 hours ago, SegFault said:

In regards to Red and Sorcerer I believe the context of it is understandable, he was trying to defend his daughter who keep in mind, is a young child, and I can't even imagine how offensive and infuriating it was to hear what was said and read that about a his own child.

As for the interaction with lux, I was not there so I can't voice much of an opinion there.

 

I fully agree with this and believe a extended ban is in order for general behavior, interactions with others, and trolling.

In terms of revoking membership, I think Aegean nailed, just because Red messed up a bit doesn't mean hes not welcome here IMO. He's been a long standing member and an active contributor to our community, which I feel shows he cares more than enough to stay part of it.

+1 for ban, -1 for revoking of membership.

That's taking the context backwards since as deplorable the situation was for both sides revolving that particular comment, red had already been going at him before it was said. 

timestamp for comparison 

2 hours ago, Aegean said:

Just gonna say the reason why we don't remove people from member often is because we would be pretty much telling him he doesn't have a place in our community and to find a new one. The ban I have no opinion on and will accept whatever the TF2 staff decide, but -1 on member removal based on his response.

I'd say this is both an exaggeration to an extent, and personally not even accurate as a generalization. If membership was viewed with this kind of extreme in mind then it would be a different story when some people have been denied membership multiple times until they succeed only on the forth or fifth attempt. While this has been the way things were pushed for certain membership removals at a point it was taken more seriously, membership is viewed a lot more lightly since people no longer needed any form of backing to get in (hence why it was claimed as easier to lose) there's also cases of the opposite such as with @Tatost having his membership removed then reinstated within a month and even voluntarily giving up membership and then accepted back with open arms afterwards. I have full doubts of anyone looking at repercussions here that harshly and instead see it as a need for a behavioral adjustment if members are going to be held to any kind of a standard. I may not have been in favor of removal of red's membership, but went into detail because I would think it nice to have a more concise ideal for when membership should come into question instead of the contradictory attitude that has been expressed overtime. Whether that would be having a higher (but at least layed out) standard for members, a more passive attitude and only holding removal for the most extreme of situations (kinda where I'd prefer things) or somewhere in between by bringing the idea of different types of membership back to light (really not in favor of this as it could end up being rather underdevloped and unfair). 

4 minutes ago, Moosty said:

 

The server being replaced is Highlander, which has been sitting empty and password protected for literal years, Since we pay hosting fees anyway, public, usable and empty is better than private, unusable and empty.

Then we have an empty server under a new name. If the payment for the server is an issue then could it not just be expunged as opposed to having more unused servers to spread out an already limited population? Setting up an entire server for a single purpose should take a note worthy desire for it but also the bodies to back it up, something that has been lacking in consistency with our more niche servers for the last year and a half.  

• Division
  Team Fortress 2
• Offenders In-Game Name
  Red
• Offender's Identity
  STEAM_0:1:52947739
• Ban Type
  Server Ban
• Explanation and Evidence
  

  As a mild disclaimer i'm making this in place of someone who would rather remain anonymous in the ordeal, so ideals and opinions will waver slightly. Of course it's what everyone else feels that is important, this is just to get the situation out in the open.

  So to through it out then, our member @Red has been acting atrociously on the servers as of late. It was first brought to my attention when he and the player yunyun both straight up drove someone off the server and then more and more complaints have been addressed about his behavior. Overall he has constantly acted with disrespect (to put it very lightly) towards all sorts of people on the server, repeatedly used slurs when staff aren't on and apparently trying to bait staff into believing he is a hacker including using an alt to this end (I haven't been able to get a clear answer to if it was positively his own alt, so until a higher up checks such a thing take that piece with a grain of salt). 

  Pieces from chatlogs

  There's the straight forward call for a ban of some kind to take place for all this here, but there's more being asked here then just that. Red's membership is being brought into question for this in terms of being flat out removed. Now i'm going to go ahead and make this more complicated then it has to be and bring up a few aspects in accord to this idea. 
  First of all, there's been many cases of members acting in similar ways and in the more extreme cases it being acknowledged as problematic enough to the point of them getting banned themselves (more than once for some) yet their own membership never came into question. There's never really been a high demand of membership removal for issues of behavior outside of far fewer situations but at the same time there's always been a general claim to the standard at which members are held as representatives of the community and how one should behave in regards to that. If this kind of behavior was done by someone applying for membership today, they would absolutely be denied for it. Now Red has been a member for quite some time and would have received it at a time where it wasn't handed out quite as lightly as it is now, but that brings into question how much merit can be attributed to the difference in how membership is handled now compared to before. 
  In regards to membership when the changes occurred, there was two things stated; membership while easier to receive would also be easier to lose, and also that there would be some differentiation in membership through some form of "senior" membership or some similar method. Whether this was dropped for reasons pertaining to avoiding a divide between membership or if it was simply forgotten about, it's never been cleared to much of an extent at all from @virr @Rhododendron and @Aegean where how this has been passed up for some many people in the past stands between actual trust and merit someone has earned vs turning a blind eye. 

  A far more simple way of viewing this though would be a matter of if this kind of behavior on the servers should be tolerable for any one of our members who represents the community as a whole through such actions. 

Looking at the old thread there seemed to be a significantly greater support for an MGE server than any other option, though there's also the point made by @LAN_Megalodon in how when the gamemode server ran MGE it barely saw any traffic at all. I'd be very concerned though of either of the other two choices leading to a split between the surf population which considering what has happened when people try to populate multiple servers or worse yet bounce from one to another would likely only hurt both servers. Even when people do have some sparking interest in niche aspects like this around xG, it's typically very passing and people lose interest before anything actual picks up. If there's any actual large call for any specific niche gamemodes like this it seems like a much more sound idea to be using the gamemode server for again instead setting up a whole extra server that will only likely be empty within a month from such a method, especially considering these ideas are pretty much what that server was made to exist for. 

Of course leaving the "rotation" gamemode server as balloon race forever is also an option. 

Please take me with away from here

3 minutes ago, MJP said:

It’s worded in a wrong way that’s why. Something is not spam unless it’s is a repetition of posts on the forums such as posting a dick in the forums five times. So no it is not spam. If you say that a post is not spam as long as it is important then you have to say that fifty percent of all posts are spam. 

 

About the forum posts, I couldn’t have said that better myself but I do think that someone should require more than fifty because people CAN spam (not saying all people do). Also I’m not one to talk about attitude so I’m just gonna ignore that.

Spam isn't so easily defined. There's a vast amount of ways that it is interpreted by different people and places, most of which are intentionally vague to cover the different ways in which it can happen. In this particular situation posting multiple different threads or posts that are very brief and for the most part seemingly random in short succession is very much considered spam and frowned on, even if you don't personally consider it to be. 

There's no need to increase the number of posts to apply for staff for the reason of spam since it is easily rooted out and hurts the applicants chances more then anything.   

36 minutes ago, MJP said:

It’s not spam, everything he says here is true and many newer traders and players don’t know this. There is some people who aren’t good at trading and use scrap on the server. He’s just helping out. It is a bit random though but that doesn’t mean anything.

There's better ways and places to say not only this but all the other threads, which are the reason people are saying this is spam, not this thread by itself. No one is trying to shut him down for trying to be helpful, but because of the overall situation that is becoming a fair bit bothersome. 

1 hour ago, DepressedNeonNepp said:

I'm not fucking salty you just annoy the shit out of me and always have

I mean not everyone is going to love each other, but since you are obviously trying to get staff I really suggest you look at your attitude. The whole point of requiring 50 forum posts before you can apply is for you to show some commitment to the clan but garnishing posts by themselves though is minuscule in terms of importance compared to other factors namely being your behavior. Even if you don't like someone you should still address them with some respect and in general not be flat out rude. 

3 hours ago, virr said:

While Maturity and Activity ratings arent enforced they are still very much encouraged, the guidelines arent outdated at all and clearly state so.

 

That was the whole point of clarifying (yeah outdated wasn't the most savvy phrase since everything there is still accurate, but hasn't changed besides one unrelated detail since being set up when membership was changed a year and a half ago (a decently long time around here), with people still showing confusion over this minor part on and off). It is a bit of a stretch in terms of just how encouraged they are though considering just how little they've been used since that point.

3 hours ago, Kypari said:

 

I would say if they provide sufficient reasons in their vouch, it should be fine to not include activity and maturity ratings. I would say @DepressedNeonNepp's vouch is lacking but @tree_'s actually describes his thoughts on the guy in proper detail while still being short.

A vouch is a vouch, no matter how big or small. Obviously greater detail and thought put into them is encouraged as it is with all things and could be a contributing factor to one vouch holding more sway with people than others (hardly the only factor though) but that shouldn't undermine other vouches nonetheless. Every member gets the opportunity to give their two cents, even if they aren't as articulate as others.

2 hours ago, SegFault said:

 

Please remember 

• Include maturity(M) and activity(A) ratings on a scale from 1 - 10.

In order to help the higher ups judge the feedback! 

Keep in mind maturity and activity ratings have not been a necessary part of vouching for quite some time, with it falling out almost entirely when member applications were changed signficanlty. They were only used sparingly more as novelty than anything by a handful of people and only more recently became common practice again. It isn't too surprising either since they are eaisly the least helpful part of a vouche, only reaffirming what was already stated. 

Just giving this a shout out for clarification since some people have been concivened it is still required, though it doesn't take much looking at old apps to realise that isn't the case (despite what the old, out-dated guideline that no one reads anyways says)

12 hours ago, Tatost said:

@Elcark you can't get flooded with notifs if you block the bot

You can't get flooded by a bot you don't care for if it isn't there in the first place.

More to the point of what was said, if the bot actually were added it would be far more optimal to give it it's own channel instead of cramming it in the other bot spam channel, especially when there's  people who do use the Pokecord that have expressed their own disinterest in this one. 

19 minutes ago, Nozomi said:

The problem is that you cant redirect the bot post for WaifuBot like you can PokeCord. It'll show up wherever people are typing ;;

It has a command specific to setting to a channel. I'm pretty sure all bots like this (or at least decently made ones) are manageable in this way.

12 minutes ago, MJP said:

get punished for “toxicity”

13 minutes ago, MJP said:

circle jerking libtards
because they aren’t fucking retarded.
fucking annoying dipshit comes on. 
People are just fucking retarded on the server
 a complete bag of garbage
also just to piss someone off.

I posted this trying to be as chill  as I could

If you're having issues with people to the point you don't want to be on the servers then you of all people would imaginably know how that can be addressed openly here to try and find what's causing any actual problems to  hopefully improve the situation. Personal issues between people (which you seem to have been in no short of in the past) are always going to exist but when called out directly they can be extinguished fairly easily especially if they are driving someone away. 

That being said, you're kind of a prick to put it lightly, the needlessly rude and dickish insults thrown here not being the only points that you've expressed behavior like this. If you'd really be intent on people around here who watch you spout crap like this to come join you playing other games or even to make new friends in wherever you go i'd really recommend you try and act a bit more, well, friendly. 

Whether you stick around to some extent or come back in the future, I would hope your attitude improves from how it has been. If you don't end up interacting with xG ever again, i'd still recommend working on your behavior nonetheless.   

7 minutes ago, Tatost said:

It's just collecting your favorite anime characters lmao

So it's a recolored pokecord. Seems even more pointless then.

7 minutes ago, Tatost said:

It would be redirected to the same channel Pokecord spawns go into. If Pokecord annoys you, you can mute channels. Just change #Pokecord to #Spawns. There's also an anime channel so you already see it unless you have the muted too lmao. "I don't like Pokecord, but I won't mute the channel. Even if I did mute the channel I don't want people to have nice things when I'm not involved."

Having it in the same channel would likely only annoy people who don't want to be spammed with spawns from a bot they don't use over the ones they do. 

10 minutes ago, Tatost said:

Can someone give an actual good reason for not having the bot when there is something exactly like it but for Pokemon in the exact same Discord lmao. "ew anime lol get it out"

Odd you'd quote my statement but categorize it with the points that had nothing to do with it. To word it differently, if the discord is going to thrive then people ought to be coming on it for the purpose of chatting and hanging out with other people of xG in an open environment. Bots like this don't really serve to help that at all and instead deviate from it if anything.