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To be fair, if an admin gags you and you start changing your name to get around it that's mute/gag evading in a way, I dunno if that's really perm worthy (maybe it is for TF2? /shrug) but considering you've been banned in the past for such things - disrespect, toxicity, etc - I can understand a perm.. I don't agree, but I understand. Even if you don't think anyone is offended by something you say (even if everyone else is saying it), there may be someone that isn't speaking up about it because they may be afraid that it will get them bullied further. Think about what you say before you say it, especially like the first screenshot - calling someone a weirdo can really affect someone, especially if their self-conscious is already low. Even if you think they're just being 'sensitive,' remember it's another person on the other side of the screen that is going through potentially a completely different experience in life than you are. What you might think is funny to say could be incredibly hurtful to someone else, and I hope everyone can recognize that.

For some context, I was not online during this; The information I have is provided here and through discord; This is my unimportant opinion on the situation. My main issues with this situation are that Red evaded gag and that what was said wasn't particularly unique in tgh. The gag itself should have been enough of an indicator to not continue the behavior. Unfortunately in the heat of the moment red decided to make a funny and rename himself to evade. A lot of (typically more toxic) randoms tend to use this which issues a kick(since they don't have history in most cases.) Red on the otherhand should know better, but also doesn't have a history(that I know of) for gag evasion. I think this was handled more of a toxicity issue than a gag evasion. Gag evasion, in my opinion, is a lot easier to scale reasonably. The main issue with determining toxicity stems from intent. Someone of ill intent meaning to effectively bully and harass a user would have more to say than what's basically commonplace. For starters, furfag itself is a joke title. Calling people furfags on tgh isn't anything new and in some cases used as friendly banter. I don't think that this case specifically applies for friendly banter however I don't find it alone strong enough to point at toxicity. I do think that some part of the intent with furfag here was ill meaning. "ur so shit" is definitely not in good intent as it's clearly said to make the other party more upset in the same way as saying "ez" and co. Calling furries "fucking weirdos" on a server with a lot of furries is asking for trouble. However, I don't think it's uncommon. Furries being called weird is almost a daily occurrence in terms of tgh conversation from my own experience. I don't think this case was in ill intent. The issue is the timing adds salt to the wound of him already stirring the pot with "shut the fuck up," "ur a fuckhead," and "ez." Lastly, "suck my dick" the ending words and the rename for gag evasion. Two things, saying suck my dick on tgh (where non surprisingly a lot of people are gay) is funny in of itself because the sheer irony. Secondly, saying variations of dick sucking is so uncommon it's a laughable way to end an argument. It's the slightly more vulgar "no u." in my opinion which makes it even funnier. I think that seeing furfag, suck my dick, and "you are all fucking weirdos" aren't really enough on their own with context to show the levels of toxicity that was clearly received. I do think however his shittalking (ur, so shit, ur a fuckhead, ez) Isn't acceptable but still ends up as commonplace on tgh, unfortunately. I think the reasoning was fair from the perspective of Precious. However there is still the can of worms that this behavior *it seems like* is punished on some more than others. I don't think that it's really fair to say that his situation is far worse than if a random joined and did the same actions. I believe the punishment would be delivered in the gag-kick-ban-ban-ban format for a random while Red was already on thin ice, so to speak. He was told to stop, he didn't; he got gagged, he gag evaded. That enough warrants punishment. He was warned on unban, he was warned on server, but the moment escaped him as he made a mistake. I do think that the focus of the punishment should be on the gag evasion and less on the toxicity as there are more members than just him that shittalk just like that and get away with it for god knows why. To be clear I don't have an issue with red personally; I think he can be very chill. The evidence is here that he was not chill at the time. I think that's something he can improve on as he has already improved for the better (as others stated.) He was willing to come back after the first ban and do better he might do better again. I don't think there is a reason to report abuse for this case as precious did what any staff would do in the situation. I think the reasoning is a little debatable as the main breaking point was the gag evasion. Hopefully if he does come back he can reflect on this moment for improvement. It's hard to determine tone over text and what he may have seen as friendly banter might not come across as such. Like I said before this kind of shittalking isn't particularly new on tgh. I'd like to see some consistency for some of the other members who seem to get away with this. While I think the ban was fair I would like to see him come back and try again as he has made improvements. He shows he is capable of doing better. Hopefully he can find a way to bury the hatchet and make amends. In the mean time I'll drop my current worthless +1. Tl;dr Gag evasion should be seen as the main punishment imo Half of the shittalking going on isn't particularly uncommon and others who employ the toxic half should have similar expectations. Saying suck my dick on a server with a lot of gay/bi people is funny as hell. Precious did nothing wrong imo. I hope red can do better, as he has shown, if he comes back.

gay bonfire gaming @hongkongatron @bagggel @Kypari

You only specified "in chat" so I'll assume you mean you warned in text only. You have to warn both verbally and textually, I learned that the hard way a while back when I banned someone who muted voice chat and was breaking rules. You apparently didn't even kick the guy, so that's an even bigger red flag (haha get it?). Jumping straight to a permanent ban only after one previous ban is kind of bullshit.

Actually, before I look into this more tomorrow, I would like to point out, he has only been banned once before (https://bans.xenogamers.com/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:1:52947739&Submit) not numerous times, and that focused mostly on racism and trolling (disrespect did come into play however)

That was quick. First, I would like to say that I warned you to stop in chat and you kept going. Don't believe me? It was clear that they didn't like that you said that to them, and when I told you to stop, you responded disrespectfully, so I gagged you. Simple. Then, after being warned and gagged for being disrespectful towards others, you decide to disrespect people again by changing your name to 'suck my dick'. That doesn't sound like you were joking to me. Continuing to cause trouble after already receiving punishment will usually result in a ban. To those of you who think this is strict, let me tell you the order of how staff are supposed to deal with these things: 1. Warn the person to stop, 2. Mute/Gag/Kick depending on the offense. Then, if they persist and continue to cause problems, then 3. You ban them accordingly. And it just so happened that you have been banned numerous times before and this time it was a perma. This is what most of the staff do. I'm not being strict, I'm doing my job. Might I also add that you were given chances to stop. I warned you and you still were disrespectful towards me and others on the server. I gagged you and you still tried to start trouble. I wasn't being strict, you just don't know when to quit. I seriously doubt you were just kidding around with that person, because you would've been smarter than to continuously disrespect me after I warned you and gave you chances to stop. You've had several chances in the past to shape up and change your behavior, but you've kept going. Same disruptive behavior every time. And it just so happens this time your ban is permanent. So sorry s1x, but you've had more than enough chances to improve. You can point fingers at everyone else, but the fault lies entirely on you. -1

Hi. I'm james8470, that one dude who worked on the Minecraft server. I left xG because of some stupid comments I made on YouTube and a complete lack of interest in the xG servers. Well, now I've gotten over myself and I play xG TF2 surf every few days or so, and who knows maybe I'll even get back into TGH too. Also I'm forced to retire from playing competitive TF2 for awhile due to timezones. I would've submitted a member application, but the website wouldn't let me for some reason. After awhile, I realized it was because @Aegean got lazy and forgot to remove my member status so technically... I never even left xG How is everyone doing? How have the last few months been on xG? ? I've just been playing competitive TF2 (Highlander and stuff on TF2center), trying to model hats, trying to make YouTube videos, taking Spanish classes outside of high school (and holy crap I should've just waited until summer to do them), and dealing with applying to college. This is kind of a stupid time to post this because I'll be gone all weekend for my aunt's wedding, but IDGAF ? Alright, enough talking about me.

I didn't tell or call anyone anything on the server besides poking fun at Elusion by telling him shut up furfag cause of his profile picture. other than that I didn't tell or call anyone anything buy when I said "suck my dick" it was literally a joke and I was about to say "actually.." "It was a joke" but you instantly gagged me which pissed me off so I changed my name to suck my dick furfag. The only thing I should be responsible for is for evading gag. I wasn't even being toxic nor was I trying to beef people on the server. I'll like to know who I offended besides maybe Elusion even if he didn't take it seriously. I understand if you gagged me if I were to say "suck my dick precious" or said something far worse but I didn't cause I knew I didn't want to start drama or beef but in no way was anything I said considered toxic behavior even all of you seen far worst toxicity displayed on the server than this light situation.. I know every staff member said or done something they regret but you honestly think you wouldn't get a reaction from most of your binds or make people feel uncomfortable. You say its harmless fun but when I said "suck my dick" it was all in good fun and wasn't really directed at anyone, I changed my name to "suck my dick furfag" as a joke since yall like talking about sucking dick and what not on the server constantly but I guess it offended you to the point where you decided ban. It's hypocritical I got ban for saying "suck my dick" but yall say the same shit or far worse. Anyways since i'm getting unbanned soon maybe try to prevent yourself from saying disgusting stuff on the server, I'm not trying to throw shots only at you precious, i'm talking about the whole tf2 staff roster to reflect on what they say cause we got minors playing on our servers daily and they might take everything you say seriously especially when you're a moderator on the server some players may think highly of you. You can say its harmless joke all you want but maybe for others they might be offended the same way you got offended about me saying "suck my dick furfag"

Wasn't aware of this - reading the times on the chatlogs is important, pretty sure the staff that were on at the time were unaware of @BonfireCentipede's warn on red, as well as the fact that the argument consisted of a few harsh words and then it was ended, both of their own volition and by a warning. This situation is completely irrelevant to this incident and shouldn't be used against red. Not too sure that he should've been permed for it, but whether there shouldn't be punishment at all for it is indisputable at this point. The humorous part of this is is that if bonfire stayed on and was the one handling this, this thread probably wouldn't exist right now because of his previous knowledge and experience with red.

I'll like to say in my defense that, I don't think this ban is justified and he shouldn't had ban me in the least. I wasn't even toxic nor attacking anyone during my previous unban. I cleaned up my attitude a bit and i don't say any racial slurs nor do I start any problems but I find it funny how I said "suck my dick" or changed my name to "suck my dick furfags" then hit with ban even though I seen people with far worst names or probably equally the same time of name like Brian previous alias "admins are dumb and furries tbh" I knew I was wrong when I changed my name to "suck my dick furfags" which might look like I was trying to loop which wasn't the case I was just fooling around thinking this wouldn't cause any problem nor anyone would be mad about it but apparently not since Precious got offended over it. Whenever Precious is on he would have some disgusting binds which I personally would say is unprofessional for one of our staff to say stuff like this. Precious: "I'm just givin your dickie dick a lil suckie suck, chill the fuck out bro" How come he says shit like this but when I say "suck my dick" once or changed my name to "suck my dick furfags" I get gagged then ban afterwards? It's hypocritical as fuck. "slurps on your cocky-wocky and gets all the tasty cummies" "If your name is Chad you are entitled to a free blowie from me anytime" "I'm daddy's little fidget spinner. He puts me on his dick, and I spin. Whishhhhhhhh" "Bunny Boy [xG:A] Krampus : I like riding dildos balls first" ^ Same goes for Krampus, don't be saying stuff like this on the server doesn't matter if majority of the players don't mind it but keep it classy cause once the regulars or new players come on xG servers and see this they'll probably do the same or something far worse. You shouldn't be saying this on the server period. You should keep it professional and just talk casual instead of just spamming those stupid binds which make me and probably the majority of the server/player base uncomfortable or drive them away. We got children playing on our servers daily I think it's a bad example to be showing them or letting them see or hear this stuff. Keep it in discord or direct messages don't go sprout stuff like this. Since my 4-5 years being in xG I have never witness this from any staff or higherup. Hopefully our DMs/DLs will talk to them in private and tell them tone it down cause I find this stuff weird and It usually causes bad reactions from players including myself. I honestly didn't mean for the situation to blow up like it did. I knew I was on my last straw but I didn't think something so light / playful would turn out to bite me the back. x) I know it's not up to me to be calling out choices but maybe try to consider unban and maybe give me like month gag or something.

Let me just start off by saying I'm pretty upset to see this. I consider Red a pretty good friend but I feel as though I must give my non-biased thoughts on this topic. Here are the chatlogs as some things have been missed (Kypari is posting this too but it depends on who finishes their post first ? ) : As seen in this evidence, there was definitely an attempt to stop Red and Red continued. I must elaborate on what Bonk has said and say that in situations like these, it doesn't matter if you think what was said wasn't offensive, but if the receiver is made uncomfortable on our servers then it becomes an issue. I can't express that enough. For example, as much as I disagree with the offensiveness of this, there is a situation where a player called Hype constantly got called smelly and he got upset by it. Even though I and many others think it's ridiculous, if we're attacking someone with something that is clearly upsetting someone, then you're in the wrong. Also, regarding you saying that their ban being a straight up perm being unfair, I understand. However, if we were to ban someone for a month for disrespect and then later ban them for a day for doing the exact same thing, the whole banning system is meaningless. If the ban reason for Red had been, for example, exploiting, the ban would go back to 1h > 1 day >1 week > 1 month > perm. Different reasons for bans, in most cases, are not related. I think the problem here is knowing when to stop. Of course, you expected a kick, but unfortunately things are a bit more complicated here and repeat offenders don't get a kick. The name changing to avoid gag, in my opinion, was the nail in the coffin. In conclusion, ban was justified. Precious followed the system and I hate to say this but all staff members would've done the exact same thing. I hate to see you banned though man, so I'm just gonna link you the unban challenge thread. All the best, mate. (be the first to do the scooby doo challenge)

AYYYYYY Hope you enjoy that wedding Also let's not take his membership away cus ya know, he still deserves it even though he "left". He also took a good chunk of his time to spend on xG when he was mc staff so I just view it as unfair. Other than that WELCOME BACK MY GUY CAN YOU FINALLY JOIN THE DISCORD NOW THANKS. ?

@Tekage Why not this instead?

You got your "get out of jail free card" officially approved! Please be mindful of your manner on our servers because this only works once! ~Closed

Donation has not happened yet but expect this ban protest to close soon because of @shwash and @Red the absolute ledges

Anyone complaining about how people don't play on TGH and were still voting "no" to remove random crits and then proceed to vote "remove" on this thread are by default trolls

I promise you that is just simply not the case as not all staff even have mics so making that a rule would be extremely inconsistent. It used to be that text warnings were mandatory and verbal ones weren't really recommended if that's what you're getting confused with.

Dejavu, although I had more bans maybe about 6 but the ban is justified since the last ban is a month, this protest is a waste, you won't get unbanned without doing a challenge, I'll talk to you in private ?

I know that, bud. Not worth the effort when their decision is set in stone.

I was going to type something out, but it's not worth it. +1 for unban or shorten the ban length.

I've felt the same way for many years, but honestly we've had one good spawn in the past 6 years in xG, and that's because ruki, supermaddud, klure, jaydow, jubens, hannah and myself spent over a week working on it and constantly tweaking it so it looks aesthetically pleasing. (It also helped that ruki, supermaddud and klure are super creative). I'm honestly down to buy spawns that we can tweak since it will take a long time to build aesthetically pleasing spawns, and everytime we trust members to build a spawn, we just get meme'd about how bad it looks. I'll PM you the spawn for hub, towny and skyzone that I'm thinking of and I'll be doing all the payments myself so it's not an issue.

oh no they took him

Random crits? Keep them or no? This argument was brought up on tgh and we managed to remove the last bit of random crits from tgh so why not try and have is be done to surf too?

Division Team Fortress 2 In-Game Name s1x Identity s1xn9ne Ban Type Server Ban Information I was playing pkmn trade with a few lads and I noticed a few people talking about furry related stuff on the server and I responded with this.. I was dick around with most of pokemon trade players by telling elusion to shut up furfag then a few minutes passed where i would say suck my dick in chat for shit and giggles and precious just gags me then he would immediately ban me for changing my name to suck my dick. I personally don't think this was perm worthy or was even justified a ban for saying and changing my name to suck my dick furfag but when other people literally say the exact same shit i say no punishment comes their way cause apparently of my history. He should had just had me gagged and left it at that. No one took me seriously on pkmn trade during that time and couple regulars and member taught it was an unnecessary ban. No one was offended by anything I said and literally everyone uses the word "furfag" literally everyone says it nor "suck my dick" I wasn't even calling anyone out when saying it..

+1 I've seen so many worst shit being said when admins are on and nothing happens. But when Red says something which doesn't even warrant any sort of punishment and he gets muted, then banned for changing his name? doesn't make much sense.

I don't know, we kind of need random crits in tf2, its a mechanic in the game

I just called him out for bodyblock and we just exchanged a few words then left it on that. You can't call that toxic nor was I breaking any rules at the time.

All parties will be talked to but equal punishment isn't fair since we aren't going to be banning someone who hasn't even been banned yet permanently because red got permed

You kind of skipped the part when I pointed out that @Precious said they only warned in text chat. I know for a fact that it is required to give both verbal and textual warnings, and @Red was only warned in text chat.

I just want to point out - rating the person defending themselves against you with "salty" when they have a completely reasonable defense really says something

I do understand that, but I tried to stop being generally toxic but when people are saying weird stuff they'll generally get a bad reaction from most of the players in the community but I find it weird when he mention this but I was warned and gagged but I didn't get kicked then he would immediately ban me. If I was kicked I probably would had just left it on that or just chilled out. anyway I might do report abuse thread in the near future.

+1 You guys are too sensitive.

Build me more floating islands pls

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Hey all, I was wondering if there were any other software devs in xG. I've new to the group, would love to add you and get play some games! Podo

remove random crits it's no fun when you get obliterated by one just try to secure kills on enemy gamers the fair way. +1