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Because of context. I don't call people faggots and neither do I call people niggers, but let me try to give my opinion on this subject. I'm also going to refer to the "n-word" as "nigger", since that is the word we're talking about and we're having a reasonable discussion where I'm not using it as an insult. As far as I know, it's not like the word "faggot" is allowed no matter what. The word is allowed in a certain context in which you are not harassing someone. For instance, if someone were to call QueenofHeart [or any queer person] a faggot because of the fact that she is transgender, that would be punishable. However, in my opinion the meaning of the word faggot has kind of changed. I'm definitely not denying that awful people are still using it to be homophobic, however, there is a certain episode of South Park that illustrates this situation. To briefly summarize the episode, a ton of bikers start annoying the city and people eventually start calling them fags to the point where everyone just refers to them as fags. At some point people got concerned because of the apparent homophobia that someone did a TV report showing a child a picture of a gay person and a biker, asking whom of the both they think is a "fag". The child pointed to the biker and completely ignored the actually gay person. In other words, in this and in many other instances the word "faggot" is not being used in a homophobic context. If someone on a tf2 server is like "shut up, faggot", in 95% of the cases he doesnt use the term "faggot" to insult gay people, but instead to insult an annoying person. Does that make it better? Kind of, I think. While I'd agree that nobody should say it, people always will and I don't think we, as a gaming community, have the power to stop people from doing that. Our regular players, yes, probably, but literally anyone who ever joins the servers? I don't think so. People have already started to describe generally annoying people as "faggots", way before this community was even established, I believe. However, the meaning of the term "nigger" has not changed. People still mostly use it to be intentionally racist. There is basically no context where it would make sense to call someone a "nigger" simply because they are annoying. People haven't started doing that and still aren't. Again, I'm not condoning the usage of either of these words, I'm just trying to explain why there is a difference in my opinion. Not to mention the argument @Elcark made last time, that we'd have to basically start banning everything from here: List of disability-related terms with negative connotations - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG If people intentionally use the word "faggot" to discriminate against gay people, then that should be a no go, but using it in a relatively "harmless" context which doesn't relate to discriminating against gay people is something different. Also, you should watch the episode of south park I was talking about if you have time, it's called "The F-Word".

Hey everyone! Quick update regarding adding and removing maps through votes here on forums. Map votes will in the future be decided based on multiple factors including yes to no ratio, issues with the actual map in question and from stats on mapstats.xenogamers.com. The map being removed or not is ultimately decided by the higher-ups with input from you guys, so it is important that you leave valuable and contructive feedback in the thread. This is different from before where we only counted poll votes into the decision. The goal for this change is to lessen the effect of "troll-voting" and get more valuable feedback from active players on our servers. We understand that this might be seen like a power move for the higher-ups to have more control over the map pool on servers, but i will personally make sure that it won't and that the discussion is kept as unbiased as possible. If there is any questions feel free to reply to this thread or private message us if that feels more comfortable ? Thank you for reading

We'll be looking at a couple things when making our decision. I can't give you all the pointers off the top of my head as some are more relevant than others depending on the map, but as an example; Community feedback (poll, thread replies, etc etc) Technical faults (lighting issues, performance, etc) Play rate, connect/dc ratio, mapstats basically Design issues (too narrow/chokey, sniper dominated) Some of these will carry more importance than others depending on the map in question. Some maps don't have any performance issues at all for example, while others have a lot. However, community feedback will always be the #1 decider in if i map gets kept in rotation or not. This is of utmost importance and i cant stress enough how much valuable and well constructed feedback matters.

Quoting myself from the last thread: "Can we just keep the basis that if someone is harassing someone, we punish them? Can we also keep in mind that the people are behind a monitor acting all tough; Literally ignore them. Punish them if they're harassing someone/you. How hard is that?" This thread has been made before. See here:

just don't be gay plain and simple.

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Mainly because JB2 is the only server that matters right? ?

What? Staff comes on tgh all the time what do you mean lol, the only staff I see who barely ever comes on tgh is @Owlknight_ or @ABlueSkittle123 and even then I do see them come on tgh every once and a while and they both go on other servers all the time when they are populated like ff2, there really isn't a bunch of "surf only" staff like you all are talking about so I wouldn't say that's a problem here lol. About this, although I do agree that what he did in 2017 on the forums and stuff was pretty immature and that he shouldn't have done it, I really wouldn't say that's much like what he is now. Also, I get that you don't ever really see him nowadays since haha surf's trash nigga but people do change over time which I know from personal experience and he's just been a nice guy to talk to on the servers and doesn't really start beef with anyone anymore so I wouldn't really say that defines him anymore, plus he does enforce rules and help out on the server all the time. Another thing, he isn't "sensitive enough to get bullied off the entire game" he had just been bored of tf2 and left for a month which is understandable, he did leave that dumb comment on there though later as a dumb joke which was really immature but still once again, he has changed from what he once was then and is ready for staff again.

-1 I don't know what the innate attraction to surf is for some people, but I'm 99% certain that surf doesn't need more server-only staff. Only seen you on tgh once in the past several months, which isn't a great indicator of "activity." Because of this lack of variety in what you play, I also haven't been able to see you prove or disprove a growth in maturity from your last situation of demotion.

easy -1. this retard ass little bitch motherfucker doesn't come around for any of the 10 mans we have, he can't even use the excuse of not having csgo that bitch is free to play aka it got the same furry update tf2 did

About two weeks ago, @tree_ with the help of his friend @♥Cookie♥ made a post regarding our rules around the usage of slurs. They called into question why some slurs are okay but not others. I couldn't have explained it better myself, so I'm just going to attach a quote of their post. The poll had more people voting to keep the rule as it is, with some slurs banned but not others, or more people voting to allow the n-word (and presumably all other slurs) than there were people who voted to just ban all slurs entirely. The thread is also locked for some reason. I'm not sure if it was @tree_ who locked it or staff members themselves, and I apologize for opening this up to public comment but I truly think this is something worth discussing. So to start us off I have a question, why? Does using a derogatory term to refer to someone who's gay somehow less offensive than using a derogatory term to refer to someone who is black? I just don't get it. Sexual orientation and race both play a part in social location, which means social power is involved which is why black people can call other black people by the n-word. However, when a white person uses a slur against a black people suddenly social and historical context comes into play. Same goes for gay people. And that's why we don't allow racial slurs, no? By this logic, I'd have to agree with the minority of the voters here - ban all slurs. I just don't see the difference - but by all means please do explain it to me.

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See ya mate!

It doesn't matter if Sora is the only strictly TGH staff that xG has. I wouldn't even agree at all that there are any staff at all that solely play on surf. Owlknight, Blueskittle or whatever other staff member that plays surf often you're thinking of plays TGH as well, they just prefer to play on other servers evidently and that's fine. TGH mostly has a staff member on and if not then they can calladmin. Bottom line is that someone playing mostly on one server doesn't make it so they won't get staff. I don't care if that's TGH or Surf.

You forgot the hat and hair otherwise great job @Jadow

+1 ez admin lets go boys has proven himself responsible and carried tf2div several times

You can be active on just one server, it just means you'll have a harder time getting further in the ranks. Take @Sora_ for example, he's amazing at staff but he mostly plays TGH, but he's still an admin because he's good at staff.

Just a quick reference, we don't really have a limit for staff and he's actually been very active lately on surf https://xenogamers.com/rank/player_histories/sessions/882539 Not saying any more than that right now, will vouch later

-1 I haven't seen you on the servers unless you just play Surf which is probably the case, other than that last year when you came to stepping down you just started acting like a dick and that "you want to be spiteful" I have nothing personal against you, but I do not see a reason to give you staff other than the amount we currently have, you're sensitive enough to be bullied off the entire game, I haven't seen change as you are barely on and Surf's trash nigga

+1, this man right here is the main reason why I still play tf2 to this day. He inspired me to become a better moderator and showed me what I need to do to succeed. This man deserves CM but hey, he decides what he wants to do, I know he can be busy at times but he at least deserves to get his old position back in my opinion.

I mean, I dislike you for very obvious reasons, but I don't play on the TF2 servers anymore so ?

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+1 welcome back brother

Never really got to know him, but his name is my name so +1 - Welcome Back Buddy.

Map has been removed from rotation and been replaced with the clean version as it was supposed to be. -Closed

lurkers be like “time to go on when no one else is for hours”

Im glad the dumbass "hurr you have to be mod first or its unfair to mods now durr" norm has seemingly changed and people seem more interested in competence and experience rather than "fairness" +1

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I’m will be leaving xG for a while. The reason that I’m leaving xG it’s because I have 2 jobs now, and I will doing more work. As birthdays come and birthdays go, as our limits hold us from school or work. I’m sorry if I couldn’t done any good for the server of jb. If you have any questions, I will answer them honestly. xG thank you, you were like a family to me, even my family passed away, xG felt real to me. But there’s no happy ending not here and not now for me, my tale is all sorrows and woes, sometimes I dream justice and peace win the day, but that not how the story goes. I believe that, the new generation take my place in jb. Thank you @Brady1780 , @Dannypicacho, @BullseyeX , @Darrth , @ScottNi , @Hg2CI2 , @Genocide , and everyone else,thank you. I hope xG cs:go jb would be fine when I’m gone but I already know it’s gonna be fine. So I bid you guys fair well. Also just think about this and answer it in your head, who is the king of xG... Good bye yours truly, -Mr.Gladiator

+1 Wait who are you? Only 1700hours? we have standards play a bit more before applying please

Locked. Map has been removed.

+1 red pandas gotta stick together hes cool too I guess

-1 was DL before and really deserves it. He is extremely competent and did alot for the server

-1

Dear Mr.Rainy As a admin of the XenoGamers Clan I am in deep regret to inform you that at the time you posted this topic on January 10th 2019 at 2:58 AM that at the posted time, is not Gamer time yet. Gamer times for the XenoGamers Clan consist as following (all of which are used in EST) Monday: 4PM - 10PM Tuesday: 4PM - 10:30PM Wednesday: 4:15PM- 10:30PM Thursday: 4:15 PM- 11:30 PM Friday: 3:55 PM - 3 AM Saturday: 12PM - 3AM Sunday: 12PM - 10 PM I hopes this helps you in the future. Thank you for asking. Sincerely xG:A | Yung Geno Can someone close this dumbass post.

An issue that we have on our servers is our treatment of slurs and offensive words. We don’t allow racial slurs and other vocabulary made to demean and offend, something that benefits the servers, But one word escapes this rule Faggot It is ridiculous that it is allowed considering the fact that the servers have such a large LGBTQ+ presence , but that is why this thread was made, to discuss and push the fact that it really should not be allowed. On Top of the fact that is offensive and often used in toxic ways, it paints the server as hypocritical. Why ban some slurs and not others? I have often kicked/muted people for slurs who then start saying faggot asking why this is allowed, why am I not muting them. It is a bad message to send. I know that there are people who wish to keep their right to openly say slurs (despite no real reason to) but really it is detrimental to the message we are trying to send and does nothing beneficial to the servers. So I ask that we vote, to enforce a ban on the word, a notion me and other mods, try to enforce already, as it hurts us, hurts them, hurts us all and sends a hypocritical message to any new and veteran players.

Hah. I really am out of touch.