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To put a little perspective on how these "silent promotions" work, here's how the promotion / demotion process works for higher ups. It varies a bit from division to division, but it's in general the same. A thread/discussion is created for promotions and demotions All prospective (Both members that have applied and not applied) staff are discussed thoroughly All higher ups of the division get input All community managers/Aegean can see all discussion Feedback must be valid, and is under scrutiny of all higher ups, including CMs/CLs (CSGO exclusive?) Goes through chat logs to see how they interact when staff is not available Use GameME to see activity on servers Higher ups come to a unanimous decision After discussion, approval goes to CMs We almost never disagree upon decisions, I honestly cant remember the last time we rejected someone If the prospective staff hasn't applied, they should be contacted to see if they would accept the position To my knowledge, this hasn't always been followed, but we will certainly follow up with higher ups to ensure that this happens In addition, +1/-1 on a staff application is not entirely representative of if someone will be promoted. We appreciate your feedback, but someone who receives all +1s is not guaranteed to get staff, just as someone who receives majority -1s is not guaranteed to not get staff. Everything is always taken on a case by case basis. Getting "Chummy" with higher ups is not necessarily a way to get staff (see @Jaydow CSGO Division Manager position). I can safely say that there's nothing more annoying than someone asking for staff, and they almost never get promoted any time soon. Obviously, getting to know higher ups is going to get you promoted quicker, as they'll know you better. Honestly, that's life, anyone who's been working before knows that the better relationship you have with your boss, you're probably going to get promoted quicker. This also assumes that you deserve to be promoted, as I've gotten to know people better and realized "Wow, I'll never promote that guy" before, even when I like them as a person. As for bad staff, staff are held to a high standard. Of course, you learn through mistakes, and our staff are people too. But for example, toxicity and abuse will never be tolerated, and its quiet easy to remove staff that don't deserve powers. Anyone can post a staff abuse thread, and demotions can occur without a staff abuse thread. I've found that many times that people don't want another person to be staff hasn't actually been due to if the person does or doesn't deserve staff, but more personal vendettas against one another. Edit: I'll also be moving this to General, as this applies to all divisions

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Just to get the bias out of the way, i have never made a staff app before and all my promotions have been due to being good friends with higher ups and (hopefully) for being a good staff member. To add onto what @LeToucan said, there is almost no way we'll be getting rid of silent promotions entirely as it easily helps us regulate the amount of staff we feel like we need at the moment (high pop times during summers usually see a bunch of promotions, even if we usually never have the expectation of them sticking around for a longer period of time). If people believe there is some sort of conspiracy around us higher ups to only promote our friends and thats the reason we need to disallow silent promotions, we really need to take a look at what we can do to regain that trust. Abuse reports is actually something i was talking to @Tatost about yesterday on discord, and id just like to drop some pointers regarding those real quick. An abuse report can be made at any time for any reason, as long as you believe you have been unfairly treated. HOWEVER, just because you make an abuse report does not mean that the staff member in question will be demoted. For example, the situation yesterday was pretty minor in the grand scheme of things and it would very likely not have ended up in any punishment past a warning (if tatost was in the right) but i still encouraged him to make an abuse report because it sets an example and gives us as higher ups the heads up that "hey, someone is unhappy with this person, we should keep an eye on them". You guys have the potential to do a lot of things and its up to you guys to hold the higher-ups accountable for their decisions but that requires you guys to actively raise your voice when we do something bad. That said, i also believe that you should place some trust in the higher ups, we all want the community to be the very very best but we cant please everyone and sometimes we do get things wrong. If there are any doubts around that its something we need to work on and adress as soon as we can. Great thread @Precious

I'll give you guys my reasoning for "invisible promotions". People don't need to apply to be a good candidate for being a staff member. You guys have to remember that higher-ups are the position that they are because we have a lot of trust in them. We believe in their judgement, and they have experienced through a ton of good and bad staff throughout their time in xG. They take time to discuss if a member who hasn't applied deserves to be staff, and they always reach a consensus before doing so. Of course, we have changed it so we ask the individual if they want staff or not before the promotion takes place. The higher-ups also talk to their fellow staff / friends to get more input, so it's not 1 person who single handedly promotes a member to staff. People can easily get demoted if they don't deserve staff. Please do not confuse member protests with admin abuse threads. Staff do get a few chances as human error is bound to happen, but people can make mistakes even if they had everyone +1 them. There are also multiple instances where admin abuse threads popped up on people that only had one side of the story, where the accusers were hiding the information to make the staff look bad. If someone is caught Slay All or other abusing instances, they can get demoted if it's a problem. People under 14 can still get staff. This is rare, but is always on a case-by-case basis. You can think of it in the real world as someone who gets a job offer without filling the requirements. That is also why (at least in CS:GO) we sometimes allow people to post a mod app without getting 50 posts on the forums. If we feel like we need more input on if someone should get staff, letting them apply doesn't hurt. These discussions never hurt, and I'm happy to improve a system if you guys feel it is broken. From the staff we have promoted that haven't applied themselves so far in recent memory, at least to the best of my knowledge, none of them have had a negative impact on our community. After a while, you get a good idea if someone would be a good staff member or not just from interacting with them. If anyone has anything that they feel contradicts any of my statements, I'm happy to read it so I'll keep this thread open.

Yeah you're unbanned now, just don't do it again, or it'll probably be a true perm then etc etc. Also, try not to be so unnecessarily hostile towards danny (or anyone else, for that matter) like you did before you got banned, that kind of shit will probably get you banned again too (although not necessarily a perm). being honest about what he did in the first place isn't a bad thing

Congrats @loftydrum, do us proud!

I feel like random crits have no value in this game and should be removed from this server. Random crits from guns have already been removed, it is time for them to be removed from melee weapons as well.

sure closed~

Its ya boi!

I am going as a pirate, need to get my coat finished but this is where the costume is now

My boys!!! Congrats @-Diphikult and @shwash, I have no doubt you both know what to do and how to do it right! Congrats @loftydrum and all the new members!!!!

As much as it pains me to lose the market pan potential, random crits (or random anything tbh) are an unfun mechanic to deal with on any slot so +1.

+1, RNG crits are shitty for both sides involved.

+1 inb4 the "I don't play tf2 anymore, but I just want to sabotage votes made by the community for changes that won't affect me in any way" comments

essentially a casual boost day

@Dannypicacho sorta brought it up when we had the 10 man composed solely of TF2 players, why not do the same sorta thing the other way around? a TF2 6v6 with only CS:GO players. to my knowledge this hasn't been done yet (unless I missed it in which case I'm gonna feel a bit foolish) and I feel like it would be as much of a success as the 10man, so lets try it out should this be in CS:GO discussion?

I feel like even if community +/-1s on staff applications were taken into account on whether or not someone were to be accepted as a staff member (read: someone that got all -1s on an app was rejected whether the higher-ups wanted it or not), I would still be trusting of them to promote staff without the community's input. I trust Lithium (and bleed?*) to accept staff that will do good for the server, even if there is someone that disapproves of them being promoted. He's been around long enough that he knows whether or not someone will be a good staff member and actively improve the servers, or vice versa. *idk if bleed is still sectioned off into strictly CS promotions or not

Congrats @-Diphikult on getting admin ?

We have decided to unban him. Please don't be an edgelord Brian, don't try to provoke the TF2 community or anyone just for some laughs, it's okay when it's with people you know since they don't take your jabs seriously, but when you are disrespectful to people who don't know you, they take it to heart. ~Closed

good job @shwash @Arthman

+1 get that shit out of here

also, @Arthman welcome back buddy xD [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488748860211068960/505362025598418965/7a5a7cb.jpg]

What if we wait until 1.14 comes out and wait for the modders to implement it so we have to wait even longer ?

@Jaydow congrats on DM

"this isn't a competitive server!!!! random crits should be allowed because I cannot kill people without them!!!" In all seriousness, random crits are absolutely retarded in an FPS. Skill-based critical hits (headshots) are fine since they don't make you think "I seriously shouldn't have been killed by that brainless ape of a heavy." Too bad TF2 is a really bad game in multiple ways, so we don't have critical hit headshots for all weapons like CS:GO or Overwatch do. ?

+1 throwing an rng aspect into a shooting game is really dumb it takes skill and throws it out the window, for an example one person could be much more skillful than another person than just out of the blue right before the skillful player wins a random crit comes out of the blue absolutely destroying the skillful player while leaving the other person laughing because he got lucky. Just putting rng in a first person shooter is ridiculous I have been killed by so many scouts because they pressed mouse1 and then hit me with 3 times damage out of the blue destroying my health, its very aggravating and overall a negative thing to happen due to the negativity bias. "Your brain is simply built with a greater sensitivity to unpleasant news." In which the unpleasant news is that random crit.

"I think I'm gonna vote no because even though the vote affects me in literally no way, I want to make the experience for others overall more negative." +1

hi

Going to be a scary clown this year. We are allowed to wear it at my nursing school for this week so there's that. Here are the mask and full one-piece set. Might wear it for upcoming Halloween parties as well.

Now that we’re off of this horrendous fucking trainwreck of a ride, lets get right back on with a politics channel. Before its blessed deletion, #shitposting was often used for political discussion (which wasnt really allowed elsewhere). #politics could easily fall under the same category that sports and technology are in. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

Personally I'm in the boat that silent member to staff promotions are a bad thing. It opens the doors for favoritism and closes the door for people to say why said people shouldn't be staff. While I can understand the ease of process(as my first time getting staff was silent and when I came back from my break was also silent) It does prevent the discussion from being had of why someone is not optimal for their position. I'm all for reducing personal bias in the application process. It's too easy for someone to be chummy with higher ups and ask for staff i m o. I am also not looking to shit on current staff who have been silent promoted or the higherups who have employed it. I do think that having the opportunity to dispute the promotion with a -1 is a good thing. At the end of the day a -1 can be dismissed if the reasoning isn't clear or accurate but someone who already gets promoted is just going to stir more internal drama from the people who did want them in. All in all though higherups do have the final say. Overall I think that promotions should be handled clearly and well defined so people aren't suddenly surprised that someone else got staff just because they chill in a discord with a higherup. In my opinion the times that silent promotions end up being abused are few and far between. The potential for the worst is still present. ideally bad staff should eventually be siphoned out before they're a problem. However, there are times that moderators who have been silent promoted have gone untouched because either favoritism or not enough evidence of poor performance were provided. I say silent promotions shouldn't be a thing even in the case of returning staff. While it's easy to point out what staff were good previously and they SHOULD be good again it doesn't mean their circumstance hasn't changed. The time away from being staff does affect how the community perceives them. It should be a matter of consistency as essentially they're trying to be staff from member again. Case by case can be more extreme from silent leaving to toxicity or whatnot. Opening a window to air the shit so to speak is a good way to get certain distrusts out of the way. If there are no problems then it shouldn't affect the staff returning negatively. The most that'd be asked of them is just to sum up why they want to be staff again. I'm all for keeping things out from closed doors so to speak. Openness and clarity should be what the community deserves. I think the application process is a good way to provide that outlet. I'm not exactly the most passionate about the subject but I want to throw my two cents in since this ended up getting thrown on my "Hello again." thread in regards to me. That told me a couple things. 1 is that not everyone is happy about how I left and they want to make it clear and 2 It's easy to pass favoritism when you're on the receiving end. I don't care much to stir bad blood, however I don't think they should be denied voicing their complaints (as long as it's within the community guidelines.) Tl;dr That's a no from me.

I don't think it'd really would change anything since like the whole decision is entirely up to the higher ups anyway, so if people are given an invisible promotion that most likely means the highers ups have gotten to know them very well and have asked people around in community what their thoughts on the person ( which I have seen before) and trust the person so much so that they believe they should be made staff, so it wouldn't really change anything if they made a submission thread or not. So as long as the highers up look into the person carefully before doing an invisible promotion, then it should be fine to stay as is imo.

It doesn't matter that much imo, staff submissions only serve as big bright lights saying "I want to be staff" to higherups.

make him do an unban challenge

Yeah no this is just going to be #shitposting all over again. You guys do realize that if you want to do things you aren't allowed to do in xG, you can always like, you know, make your own Discord, right? -1

Hi im jadow i have close to 50+ day on a csgo server im better than all of you

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Thanks! Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ I'll slap me whenever you want (ﾉ･ｪ･)ﾉ

pepper and rabid ? nice @shwash welcome back pizza popper

Since so many threads have been made urging the higher-ups to remove random crits, could we not take a test run for a week or so? It wouldn't hurt anyone to at least test the idea before actually putting it in use. It seems like people think that removing random crits turns the server 100% competitive, which is most definitely not the case. It's the same old trade server with a couple of people there just to have fun and stomp some kiddies. I highly doubt that people will actually miss critical hits on melee, since no one pulls them out unless they're going for a triple jump using the Atomizer, or baiting some idiot in with the Ubersaw. Edit: I actually thought the messages would merge here like they usually do wtf happened >: (

+1 I like playing the devil's advocate

im too lazy to write long detailed responses to most threads, what you get is what you get from me, anyone else feel that way? it how it be somedays.

+1 hes driving over here

I can say that 2018 xG is better than 2010-2013. More enjoyable and friendly

I take it back ill give you 2

Congrats @loftydrum Didn't know @MinerTeddy was still staff rip @Rabid @Pepper @JuannabeGod and @Bot Congrats @Jaydow on dm

LOL NO 1

Help I'm being cyberbullied