Gtx 980 Or Gtx 980 Ti?

The_Unlit_Torch · June 26, 2015

So I'm getting a new PC because playing on Mac is fucking horrible.

I've settled on either a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 G1 Gaming or a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming for GPU.

I'm leaning more towards the regular 980, because it's cheaper and probably good enough. My budget is about 18000 kr or so.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB G1 Gaming - Inet.se

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 GAMING 6GB - Inet.se

Hushpuppy · June 27, 2015

Whats your monitor?

The_Unlit_Torch · June 27, 2015

Whats your monitor?

No idea, it's a monitor my dad used at work and no longer uses, I think it's pretty good. I could check on it for more specific information.

Hushpuppy · June 27, 2015

Well then its probably 1080p or less, in which case a 980 ti would be total overkill. You'll be totally fine with a 980

Vertex · June 27, 2015

You only need a gtx 970 if you're going for a 1080p (1920 x 1080) at 60 hertz. The gtx 980 ti would be better suited for 1440p. (2560 x 1440) at 60 hertz.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 Gaming G1 - Inet.se

This benchmarks shows 60fps at 1080p on max settings, which is the maximum your monitor will be able to support. Bare in mind, simplistic games like tf2 will likely only use about 40-60% of the gtx 970's power, as any higher would be rendering frames that won't be used.

Nvidia Maxwell Battlefield 4 And Thief Results

Just you give you abit of a perspective, I got an r9 270x and am still holding 60fps at 1080p on source engine games. The gtx 970 is almost twice as powerful and has one of the highest performance per dollar ratings. PassMark - Radeon R9 270X - Price performance comparison

Btw the devils cannon is the most powerful cpu for gaming, if you don't know that already. Nothing can beat the 4.4ghz single threaded turbo on a haswell architecture.

Intel Core i7 4790K 4GHz, 8MB - Inet.se

Matsi · June 30, 2015

So I'm getting a new PC because playing on Mac is fricking horrible.
I've settled on either a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 G1 Gaming or a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming for GPU.

I'm leaning more towards the regular 980, because it's cheaper and probably good enough. My budget is about 18000 kr or so.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB G1 Gaming - Inet.se

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 GAMING 6GB - Inet.se

Get one of these(about $500): Motherboards | RAMPAGE V EXTREME | ASUS USA

and four of these(about $2000 for 4@$500ea): GeForce GTX 980 Graphics Card | GeForce

Put one of these in it(about $1000): ARK | Intel® Core™ i7-5960X Processor Extreme Edition (20M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)

and 16GB of your favorite RAM....

and you'll have the start of the most sexy fast build you've ever seen for about 30000 kr :)

Vertex · June 30, 2015

Get one of these(about $500): Motherboards | RAMPAGE V EXTREME | ASUS USA
and four of these(about $2000 for 4@$500ea): GeForce GTX 980 Graphics Card | GeForce

Put one of these in it(about $1000): ARK | Intel® Core™ i7-5960X Processor Extreme Edition (20M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)

and 16GB of your favorite RAM....

and you'll have the start of the most sexy fast build you've ever seen for about 30000 kr :)

The i7-5960x is approximately 21.2% weaker than the i7-4790k for gaming and costs three times more. See this single threaded benchmark shown bellow. The i7-4790k is on the top by almost a full 200 points. (that's why they call it the devils cannon) PassMark CPU Benchmarks - Single Thread Performance

The only thing more cores means is half of them never get used. And the ones that do get used, max out at your silly 3.5ghz instead of keeping free at 4.4ghz. #LovingDemCores That's why intel allows eight threads to execute on four cores, so never need more than four cores.

You only need 16gb of ram if you're like myself with 20 tabs open in google chrome and two games running at once. More ram wouldn't make your computer go any faster, it will just stop the pagefile from being used if you try to overload the standard 8gb. (which is plenty with an optimized windows 8.1 that only uses 2gb)

For $500 motherboards you're paying for the looks, not the performance. Half price ones can be considered top of the line. Mine was about $175 and it was a flagship board. (top of the line)

p.s I could suggest a smart sexy build with 28 3.6ghz cores and 56 threads cores for a little over 150000kr. Dual e5-2697 v3 processors which are $2 500 USD a pop. Plus the $1 500 USD board. And four 1tb SSDs for raid 10 . (anther $2 000 USD) Still not done yet but #LovingDemCores

Fink · July 1, 2015

Just some random advice: if you're building a custom computer, buy an ssd to run your games on.

StarmiX · July 1, 2015

Here's a build I came up with

Now firstly, this is all assuming

1. You're going to run at 1080p with a 60hz monitor.

2. You're not doing any video editing or photo shopping.

3. You need a new mouse and keyboard.

This build is -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ NCIX US)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($104.50 @ Directron)

Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.88 @ OutletPC)

Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($165.05 @ Amazon)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($349.99 @ Amazon)

Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Best Buy)

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC)

Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($157.20 @ Amazon)

Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($45.18 @ Amazon)

Total: $1746.71

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-01 10:52 EDT-0400

Total ends up as ~$1,750USD which translates to ~14,577SEK

More rambling -

1. Overclock the 4690k to 4.5 Ghz and it will blaze past everything you'll need.

2. You will have 3.5Tb of storage, I recommend putting your OS (Windows 8.1) on the SSD, and maybe some games on it also. But for other programs you won't be using much or is less important, you can put on the hard drive. (Things like skype/teamspeak/porn/etc.)

3. You don't need a 980 or a 980ti to run any games on a 1080p monitor. A 970 is perfectly fine.

4. You'll have ~3,300SEK left to spend on games.

Vertex · July 1, 2015

CPU:Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ NCIX US)

Memory:G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)

Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($157.20 @ Amazon)

Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($45.18 @ Amazon)

Your build has a few ineffectiveness, I will point them out bellow:

The i7-4790k is significantly faster with a 4ghz base and 4.4ghz turbo. And can easily overclock to 4.8ghz on the water cooling solution you posted.

The other option is the new i7-5775R (3.3ghz base or turbo 3.8ghz) which is on the new intel broadwell architecture. Don't be followed by the ghz, it benchmarks approximately 3-5% slower than the i7-4970k but guarantees support for 1886 ramn. A stronger built in video card (with 4k res support) is also included so people who play light games (no first person shooters) don't need to buy a dedicated one.

The i7-4790k cannot support ram that fast. 1866 might be doable (even tho it says 1600). You got 2400 which is going to downclock and possibly perform worse due to higher cas latencies and timings. -$60

You can easily drop 150 watts on the power supply as even that's overkill. I'm willing to bet that build will use less than 450 watts with a i7-4790k 4.8ghz overclock.-$15

My mouse and keyboard costed $25 including taxes and shipping. Really decent for the gaming and fast typing. And isn't going to break nearly as quick. Three years now no issues. -$200

Logitech MK120 Wired USB Keyboard and Mouse - Black - Newegg.ca

-300 reviews on this product, 74% are five star, 89% are four star or higher.

So I'm getting a new PC because playing on Mac is fricking horrible.
I've settled on either a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 G1 Gaming or a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming for GPU.

I'm leaning more towards the regular 980, because it's cheaper and probably good enough. My budget is about 18000 kr or so.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB G1 Gaming - Inet.se

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 GAMING 6GB - Inet.se

You don't need that strong to achieve the 100% performance you're looking for. Think of it this way, you're running 1080p on the monitor you're going to get. The 980 is for 4k resolutions which has three times the pixels. The 970 is overkill for 1080p so you never have to worry about drops. (It's actually designed to run 1440p)

3. You don't need a 980 or a 980ti to run any games on a 1080p monitor. A 970 is perfectly fine.

4. You'll have ~3,300SEK left to spend on games.

I can confirm this statement as my video card (r9 270x) is half as powerful as the 970 and still holding max fps on ultra 1080p with a couple demanding settings tonned one notch down.

Hushpuppy · July 1, 2015

Your build has a few ineffectiveness, I will point them out bellow:

The i7-4790k is significantly faster with a 4ghz base and 4.4ghz turbo. And can easily overclock to 4.8ghz on the water cooling solution you posted.

The other option is the new i7-5775R (3.3ghz base or turbo 3.8ghz) which is on the new intel broadwell architecture. Don't be followed by the ghz, it benchmarks approximately 3-5% slower than the i7-4970k but guarantees support for 1886 ramn. A stronger built in video card (with 4k res support) is also included so people who play light games (no first person shooters) don't need to buy a dedicated one.

Anything above a 4690k for gaming is BEYOND overkill. The extra cores are simply a waste of money for gaming, as most games support for multithreading above 4 is weak to nonexistent, and the extra ghz are not worth it, as most games rely on graphics cards much more heavily then CPU.

Vertex · July 1, 2015

Anything above a 4690k for gaming is BEYOND overkill. The extra cores are simply a waste of money for gaming, as most games support for multithreading above 4 is weak to nonexistent, and the extra ghz are not worth it, as most games rely on graphics cards much more heavily then CPU.

It's actually the complete opposite, most games relay more heavily on the CPU than the video card. The video card is just that component which takes what's processed and sends it to the screen. The CPU on the otherhand is the brain of your computer which does a lot of the work.

The i7-4790k only has four cores and that extra ghz will make a difference on more complex games like Battlefield 4 or Natural Selection 2.

A common issue you will run into on lower ghz is the first thread getting maxed out. It's really tempting when making a game to just put most of the things on the first thread, and create a few others to prevent overloading. In this scenario, 3.9ghz (4690k) vs 4.4ghz (4790k) will make a huge difference especially in the future.

Edit: If you're looking for a more cost effective solution, the i5-5675C (3.6ghz) would about 1-2% be stronger and alot cheaper than the i7-4690k. (3.9ghz) It's on Intel's new broadwell architecture which is an improved version of Haswell in their tick-tock method of doing things. Plus the power usage saves you a dollar or so per year.

Hushpuppy · July 2, 2015

It's actually the complete opposite, most games relay more heavily on the CPU than the video card. The video card is just that component which takes what's processed and sends it to the screen. The CPU on the otherhand is the brain of your computer which does a lot of the work.

The i7-4790k only has four cores and that extra ghz will make a difference on more complex games like Battlefield 4 or Natural Selection 2.

A common issue you will run into on lower ghz is the first thread getting maxed out. It's really tempting when making a game to just put most of the things on the first thread, and create a few others to prevent overloading. In this scenario, 3.9ghz (4690k) vs 4.4ghz (4790k) will make a huge difference especially in the future.

Edit: If you're looking for a more cost effective solution, the i5-5675C (3.6ghz) would about 1-2% be stronger and alot cheaper than the i7-4690k. (3.9ghz) It's on Intel's new broadwell architecture which is an improved version of Haswell in their tick-tock method of doing things. Plus the power usage saves you a dollar or so per year.

There are certain games that are more CPU heavy (like those you mentioned), and if you plan on playing those a lot, check out upgradeing your CPU, but for most games the difference is really only a few FPS. Basically, check benchmarks for the games you plan to play and see if its worth the extra cost to you.

(also I mixed up the 4790k having hyperthreading and having more cores. I pretend those are the same thing sometimes cuz blah.)

Matsi · July 4, 2015

Just some random advice: if you're building a custom computer, buy an ssd to run your games on.

lol why? such a waste of an SSD and tons of money.... since the SSD will only help with the game's initial load and then would make no difference keeping it running....