Uh..?

[Vector 138]

Why do you guys have a map that just insults xG and @Rhododendron? This doesn't look good on xG if people see it. I'm also told multiple people brought it up to admins but kind of just forgot about it. I honestly think something like this shouldn't belong and doesn't do xG any favors. You guys need to check your maps before adding them (Pokeporn on abstract as an example).

 

 

@BelloWaldi

@Ohstopyou

@Scootaloo

@Rejects

[Forest 309]

I lol'd. Mayhaps, before implementing a map, it should be looked over first to determine that it lives up to Xeno Gamers' standards :coffee:

Edited March 12, 2016 by Forest (see edit history)

[Vector 138]

Great Job for reference if people don't know the story.

[Rhododendron 994]

Alright, this is along the same issue with the HG map in jailbreak. First, if it's uploaded anyone can use it, VALVe's ToS states that any map online is fair-game for use. It's only a copyright violation if I were to decompile it and release an edited version (which I have not done).

 

Secondly, he compared me to PBFortress owner 'Playboy', claiming I did the exact same thing he did. However, if you were to read over this conversation, you would realize that that his statement is false. 'Playboy' was going to pay someone $300-$800 dollars to edit the map, which is against VALVe's ToS (since he didn't have permission from the author) and illegal since he doesn't own the textures/models ripped from SM64. I have not asked anyone to edit the map, nor have edited it myself. I simply filtered out the map protection so I could use it on our server. This is not violating VALVe's ToS so I see no wrong. Also with mabevillage, I simply renamed it to trade_mabevillage and threw it on the server. It loaded but there were graphical issues. I did not convert it nor decompile it so accusing me of doing so is an extremely rash decision.

 

Now, the fact that he is acting extremely immature about the whole situation, blocking any xG members, and posting my IPs on that post he made shows his maturity and how underdeveloped the person we are dealing with is. If you were to look through his posts, he has had issues with many other people in the past. He trashes other map creators on his blog, and complains that nobody plays his maps. I'm not saying his maps are bad (they are amazing) but he was using GameServers as his GSP and complained about them on his blog, citing constant downtime and whatnot. Because of the lack of donations and server downtime, he recently cancelled the server and announced he was done with the Source engine and would not be releasing any content. I contacted him about it and asked if he would be willing to upload the maps, which he refused. I then expressed my condolences and offered him a server to continue his work on, with zero strings attached and no references to xG (I tend to support dev's with servers ranging from time periods of 3-6 months, I like to support the Source community. I've supported maybe 10 projects since the creation of xG) but he humbly declined. I did infact lie that I wouldn't use the maps (I'm Jewish, sue me) and that is the only accusation that is true. The rest are 100% false.

 

Some of statements are a bit shocking and tell me the type of person I ticked off. He claims that people take advantage of him, even though he is posting something that is deemed for public use if someone get's the map, and insists that the content he posted for a community (TF2) that is largely based around the Steam Workshop for thousands of custom work is not for other people's use. That's fine, however as soon as he uploaded his files to a public place, according to VALVe's ToS, it is deemed public and no restrictions for standard usage can be placed on it. He claims that you need his permission for standard usage, but that is stated otherwise in VALVe's ToS. The fact that he stated this:

...I always knew that more people would try to take advantage of me in the future. There are hundreds of greedy server owners ... and Rhododendron is just the latest example.

tells me he simply will not accept this fact and anyone who uses his content is taking advantage of him, which is downright false. Most people would fine comfort in a large amount of people using their creations, and the more people who use it, the more feedback the author will get and recognition. However, with him, it is the exact opposite and he doesn't want his work spread around, nor recognition from the TF2 community, which is completely fine! But inhibiting me for using the content that you uploaded to the internet is crazy, especially since my usage of it is completely legal.

 

Finally, although what I did might be frowned upon, I have done nothing illegal or violated VALVe's ToS. The main reason for going out of my to add the map was that I want the best experience for our players, and will achieve it without breaking the law. I have not done that, so I see zero reason to remove the map, other then from the author's moral standpoint and not my own. The only thing I have done was lie, and I apologize for it.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Guest (see edit history)

[Matsi 35]

Idk... it is pretty hilarious, I think it should be left on. :)

[realBelloWaldi 1245]

I see zero reason to remove the map' date='[/quote']

I fully agree with @Vector and I'd like to remove it.

However, if our glory leader @Rhododendron thinks we should keep it, then we'll keep it, I guess.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Guest (see edit history)

[Goblins 580]

Did you have to noclip out of the map to see this "credits"? I've played on Windfall a few times, but I've never seen this.

 

I'd be down for the map to be removed. I don't think it's a good idea to have a map that is insulting a leader of the clan. Plus the map is pretty bad too, to be honest.

[Matsi 35]

I fully agree with @Vector and I'd like to remove it.

However, if our glory leader @Rhododendron thinks we should keep it, then we'll keep it, I guess.

I don't see any reason to remove it... I see that banner and all it does is show that the map creator was Salty and kind of a dumbass. There is no more reason to remove it than there would be to remove all the maps that advertise other communities/server ips.

[realBelloWaldi 1245]

I don't see any reason to remove it... I see that banner and all it does is show that the map creator was Salty and kind of a dumbass. There is no more reason to remove it than there would be to remove all the maps that advertise other communities/server ips.

 

This doesn't look good on xG if people see it. I'm also told multiple people brought it up to admins but kind of just forgot about it. I honestly think something like this shouldn't belong and doesn't do xG any favors. You guys need to check your maps before adding them (Pokeporn on abstract as an example).

It's just that the casual person coming on the server would see this and be disgusted without knowing the story

Edited March 12, 2016 by Guest (see edit history)

[Matsi 35]

Again.. I don't see the problem... noone cares to read those things especially ones you have to Noclip to.

 

Any random person that comes and sees it won't even know who rhodo is.

 

I've never heard anyone complain about it before, if there is a previous thread feel free to link it...

 

If I joined some random server and cared enough to read something like that I would laugh at the map maker for thinking he owns the map that he used someone else's program to create.... and give props to the person that "stole" it.

[Vector 138]

I don't see any reason to remove it... I see that banner and all it does is show that the map creator was Salty and kind of a dumbass.

What YOU see could be different to what the general public thinks, especially if a well known map maker says we are thieves regardless of it's the truth or not. Tf2 is full of dumb people that will eat that shit up, would you want to play on a server where the people allegidly stole stuff from people (AKA Jiggly's)?

There is no more reason to remove it than there would be to remove all the maps that advertise other communities/server ips.

What? That doesn't make much sense, this guy is outright specifically insulting xG because of an incident that happened, how does removing all maps that advertise map creators who have no quarrels with xG make sense? That just seems like an irrational idea with no solution to anything.

 

You guys can do what you want but honestly regardless of what's true or not, this doesn't look good on you guys.

[Goblin 154]

Ohhh yeah haha I've heard bout that story. Nah fuck that hamburger looking shitstain if he wants to be buttmad about that to this day, let him. I take it as a complement that he put our clan's and leader's name in his shitty map, he's basically endorsing us. Plus it's quality xG history. Don't see a reason to be worried about it at all because frankly no one gives a shit.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Guest (see edit history)

[Scootaloo 124]

This map was added to TGH when I was doing heavy revamps to the server. I scoured all corners of the internet to find any and all video game maps for TGH, and this happened to be one of them.

 

When it was added, I did not know of the message posted. Someone had mentioned it to me later, but I never fully investigated it because it wasn't brought up as a serious issue, but more of a "Hey Scoots, noclip to the back of spawn and check out the message, hurr hurr." So I disregarded it.

 

Seems to me that the map creator holds some sort of grudge against our clan, and is super buttmad about the use of his map on our servers. That being said, we aren't violating any rules by using his map, which isn't in any violation of the TOS that Valve has put into place. You create a map for TF2, anyone is legally allowed to use it, as long as they don't edit the map and try to distribute it for monetary gain.

 

Windfall Island isn't the greatest map, but it does represent an iconic Zelda game and has a place in our servers. The message is only readable via noclip, which the average user will have to roll to, and even in that instance will probably not understand the angst behind the message anyways. If it REALLY becomes an issue, the map can always be ported via Hammer and the message can be removed. It isn't that big of a deal. It is of my opinion that sure, there may be a slandering message embedded in the map about our servers and our glorious leader, but I personally wear that like a badge of pride. Why should we be discouraged because a map creator threw a tantrum and had a shit-fit because we used his map?

 

I personally find it funny. It just goes to show how buttmad the map creator is and how childish he acts when he doesn't get his way, but that's just my opinion. If the general consensus is that the map should be removed, we can remove it. If Rhodo doesn't want the map in our server, it'll get the axe.

 

Children will be children, I suppose. =)

Edited March 12, 2016 by Scootaloo (see edit history)

[Vector 138]

This map was added to TGH when I was doing heavy revamps to the server. I scoured all corners of the internet to find any and all video game maps for TGH, and this happened to be one of them.

 

When it was added, I did not know of the message posted. Someone had mentioned it to me later, but I never fully investigated it because it wasn't brought up as a serious issue, but more of a "Hey Scoots, noclip to the back of spawn and check out the message, hurr hurr." So I disregarded it.

 

Seems to me that the map creator holds some sort of grudge against our clan, and is super buttmad about the use of his map on our servers. That being said, we aren't violating any rules by using his map, which isn't in any violation of the TOS that Valve has put into place. You create a map for TF2, anyone is legally allowed to use it, as long as they don't edit the map and try to distribute it for monetary gain.

 

Windfall Island isn't the greatest map, but it does represent an iconic Zelda game and has a place in our servers. The message is only readable via noclip, which the average user will have to roll to, and even in that instance will probably not understand the angst behind the message anyways. If it REALLY becomes an issue, the map can always be ported via Hammer and the message can be removed. It isn't that big of a deal.

 

I personally find it funny. It just goes to show how buttmad the map creator is and how childish he acts when he doesn't get his way, but that's just my opinion. If the general consensus is that the map should be removed, we can remove it. If Rhodo doesn't want the map in our server, it'll get the axe.

 

Children will be children, I suppose. =)

and spectate camera they can use to see it. We aren't breaking any rules but it still disrespectful to your group and in the end a detriment. We can't stop other servers from using but using this map you guys are encouraging this behavior whether it be intentional or not. HOWEVER we can't edit the map because that's why Playboy was the other guy who got shit on for it because it is against the rules. So you guys would look terrible doing it. I think it's sad as well but in the end that's not the problem, the damage is done and if 8bit ever releases the map without the disrespectful message then you guys should use it.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Guest (see edit history)

[Scootaloo 124]

Well, like I said, if Rhodo wants the map gone, I'll remove it. I don't think 3-year-old drama warrants a map's removal personally, but that's just me.

 

EDIT: Checked over the TOS in regards to map usage, and yes, we cannot edit the map's files and host it as our own. So that's off the table.

 

Reading through Rhodo's response, I'm not removing the map unless he directly instructs me to. I appreciate the concern Vector, but Rhodo and myself seem to have the same stance on this issue. We've done nothing wrong by using the map, and if the map creator wants to throw a fit because people are actually using the maps he created, that's on him.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Scootaloo (see edit history)